Building high-end 'tables cheap at Home Despot II


“For those who want the moon but can't afford it or those who can afford it but like to have fun and work with their hands, I'm willing to give out a recipe for a true high-end 'table which is easy to do, and fun to make as sky's the limit on design/creativity! The cost of materials, including 'table, is roughly $200 (depending, more or less), and add to that a Rega tonearm. The results are astonishing. I'll even tell/show you how to make chipboard look like marble and fool and impress all your friends. If there's interest I'll get on with this project, if not, I'll just continue making them in my basement. The next one I make will have a Corian top and have a zebra stripe pattern! Fun! Any takers?”

The Lead in “Da Thread” as posted by Johnnantais - 2-01-04

Let the saga continue. Sail on, oh ships of Lenco!
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Showing 13 responses by bornin50

Hi Fishwinker,

From your wiring above it seems like you have a European motor set for 220v. What is your local a.c.?

Is the Lenco in it's original plinth, with the springs intact?

Have you removed the motor to test on the bench? Did it still vibrate badly?

Apologies if you've mentioned this already, just trying to catch up.

Regards
Hi Goughary,

AT1005, fits the Lenco L70 collar. Very easy fix, I even use the Lenco lift/lower.

Regards
Hi Goughary,

Nice to hear about the double SME, glad it worked out.

I would not want to cut an L70, I reserve that for the much more common 75. The AT could have been made for it, that was a lucky day for me!

http://www.freewebs.com/bornin50-3/index.htm

If you check out the L70 + AT1005 page, that's the first pic of my combo. The L70 is a favourite of mine, and that one is my control deck to see if my experiments on the other Lencos have any worth.

The AT1005 was popular in the early 70s, and usually paired up with motor units from Garrard etc.. A version was fitted as standard to the Leak 2001, but good luck finding one of those.

You are looking for an arm with effective length around 240mm, that puts the spindle to pivot at about 225mm. Most arms of that length are the studio units from yesteryear, EMT etc.

With a bit of filing the Regas or ADC variants can fit and are more readily available, although the problem of correct vta will always be a problem with Regas if the corner stays.

Regards
GD, that pesky nail-head that was tripping folks up, has been well and truly hammered flush, nice post. :)

Regards
Considering the Verus will be the motor of choice for many belt drive decks as well as idlers with impractical to repair engines, it will probably become part of the analog lingo ie Verused Spacedeck, Verused 301, Verused Rockport oops just kidding :) Perhaps abbreviated to VRD?

So a Lenco will become a VRD L75 etc etc However, this thread is called 'Building high end tables CHEAP etc' so the everlasting Lenco motor will be good enough for many folks. :) Horses for courses ...... until the cheap clones arrive from you know where.

Chris, if you need a demo VRD-Lenco setting up in the UK, please just ask, I'll let you know where to post the test motor! :)

Regards
A combination of the platter and bearing of the Bogen B60/61 and the flat chassis plate from a B55, will provide a suitable outer rim for the low height Verus. In the first instance for testing the application this is the Lenco(stein) to use. What makes a Lenco vertical drive good is the clever application of the spring mounted motor and superb idler wheel, but rim drive is working fine for other platters and will work as well on a Lenco.

The Verus will allow us to audition platters and bearings in a way not possible before. This has far reaching possibilities, I hope Chris is ready!

Regards
This thread has been/is a 6 year party at John's place. Folks join in and enjoy the atmosphere and rapport, most read, some post. This thread is damn good fun! Like it or not, JN does that!

I think slate is a good plinth material, but I don't see it getting into a deck that's supposed to be 'cheap' and 'diy'. I hope I'm wrong, c'mon Harvey!

Over the past month anything to do with slate has been a downer here and elsewhere. Maybe if it stood on it's own two feet instead of trying to gatecrash other folks parties it would get on better, who knows?

2c
Lewm, we share your empathy :) Lenco takes us from the legacy hifi hairshirt stance of 'no pain no gain', to NO PAIN ALL GAIN. It is too good to be true innit? ;)
Hi Gadfly, did you get that third strike? :( Btw, do you know how to dismantle the tonearm on your Thorens? I got ripped buying one on the bay, but it might be rescued if I can get it apart. Tia, Cheers
Well I have to admit – I did it !! I helped the idler drive tts die. But in my defence I’ll say you had to be there ………it was a different time ………

Since the 50s I had listened to records on a typical British radiogram, cheap idler drive tt, full range speaker and valve amplifier. Through the 60s this kept me alive, playing Kinks and Who 45s at full blast, teenage rage satisfied. But it rumbled like a train.

Time passes, and when it comes to buying a hifi the last thing I wanted was something old or looked it. The early 70s saw the hifi industry go mass market. Adverts for hi-tec Japanese products filled the magazines, old fashioned looking British and European gear just could not compete. One or two like Quad and SME survived because of reputation and high quality. But Japanese tts had SME-alike arms, looked great and were affordable, what’s not to like?

In 1974 I was given a Garrard 301 with valve amp in an old cabinet that my brother in law had found at the local dump. It moved around the garage for a while, then one day I tried it out into a pa speaker using the Leak arm and cartridge that it came with. I didn’t finish an lp side because the cartridge was hopping around a lot, but one section of the disc played ok. I later reported during one of those late night hifi conversations that the bass was like concrete, hard and unyielding! I knew the 301 would never get to the lounge :) so when a friend said 301s fetched good money in Japan and he knew a guy that exported them. ?? £70 was a lot of money in 1975 when you’re setting up home, so bye bye 301.

I snagged a second hand TD150, fitted an SME 3009 and thought I’d never need another tt. Problem was at parties when we would listen to the old 60s 45s they didn’t have the same bite I remembered. I figured it was an age thing.

When the Sondek came out in 74 it did not cause that much of a stir. The doo doo didn’t hit the fan until an article came out in 76, one of the reviewers had been Linn-napped for a weekend, and forced to listen to records until he got it. (BTW rumble figures from back then could be quoted in several different ways, the Linn was definitely quieter than a stock L75.) It’s as well to remember that in 76 the Linn wasn’t being compared to idler drives because there weren’t any to compare it to. I know a few still existed, but a stock 75, while it has something, couldn’t hope to be in the same ball-park as a Linn/Grace/Supex. It won’t even work with a decent cartridge for goodness sakes. No dealers would have an EMT on hand to use, and the SP25 would have self destructed at the thought of it, after the crowd stopped laughing.

The manufacturers weren’t conning us about idler drives, they were conning us about direct drives. And these are what the Linn found easy to beat. The Linn bearing was the jewel in the crown then, and still is.

Linn were fighting the same war that is being waged today, and we should thank them for that. If the vinyl high end had not existed in 1985, then vinyl would have disappeared completely by now. It’s not their fault they didn’t know about idlers, no-one did, or more importantly wanted to! The unfortunate result of Linn winning the war then, is that today the collective conscious as regards vinyl has a belt drive bias. Again you can’t blame people for that, we all signed up for it, and having paid our dues we think it must be right.

So having stated that the new (direct drive) technology was a mirage, and belt drive done right is where it’s at, they did all they could do. Think about it and you’ll see that the flag has been kept flying, long enough for us to re-look at an even older technology.

Like it or not, if they hadn’t done that we would not be having this conversation.

PS I like playing my 60s 45s on a Lenco.
Hi Malcolm, nice to hear from you and great find. 75 arm too! The Connoisseur has a great motor, see the inside of the earlier (I think) 2 speed here - down the page -
http://www.freewebs.com/strictly_vinyl/sugdenconnoisseur.htm

Regards.
Sounds like Lenco Hell

"It seems the Lenco Lovers site was not taken down by the Administration, but was the victim of a very professional hit job. Apparently all data has been deleted and the chances of any being recovered is slight..."

………..this sounds uncannily similar to what mysteriously happened to the ORIGINAL Home Despot thread at Audiogon

It rather makes one wonder if there really is an anti-idler conspiracy, after all!

Two sources, …………. , have told me that whoever deleted the LL files is unknown.
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We have the makings of a Hollywood blockbuster here …….

In true Hollywood style the final scenes show the cavalry on the way to save the day. Read on ………….

Fortunately LL was such an open site – deliberately so as to make the info freely available to anyone, that any net traveller could drive by without even being a member and read the crown jewels Lencology section. Also if they wished with a few mouse clicks they could make copies of all the pages - all 104mb of the info therein. No mean copyright protection here – just freely available info.

Among the rush of new members at LencoHeaven, many have backup copies of the priceless data. Not a word need be lost. Shout hurrah from the streets people!

Just as the data was gathered and annotated by many it has now been saved by the many and delivered back to a location from where it can now be accessed by a new generation of Lenco-data hungry net travellers. The hackers have lost this time! There will be a lasting tribute to Lenco Lovers and its hard working Administrators.

Curtains close and credit roll …………………… :)