Dear Alexatpos,
Tks for your kind response.
I won’t purchase a gear without listening with my current components esp. such kind of high priced gear.
In our 2nd audio shop in Taiwan, you can make the full payment of the selling price for the gear, and if you are not satisfied, you can return it to the seller with the cost about US$ 50 to 70 depends on the equip. price. The test listening is 3 days in general, but you can negotiate for a slightly longer period with a higher fee depends on your negotiation with the shop owner.
Also, if you are not satisfied, you can return the gear with 10% discount within 3 months. Or 20% discount within one year.
MBL should be pair with the Burmester in the same grade.
But the 2nd hand 6010C is selling around US$8,000 while the Burmester 88 is selling at US$16,000 for the 2nd hand one.
The 2nd hand shop have no desire to buy back the Burmester for it’s
high price even can buy a new one in EU market.
As the concern about the 2nd hand or non-distributor gear, the 2nd hand can find some former expert (such as the technician work for the brand but retired).
The only problem might be the parts which unable to find one.
Just for your ref.
faust
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Well, I am not sure if I helped. It seems to me that you have decided to buy it, which is of course fine by me, it is a nice sounding player, after all.
My answer was directed to your question, 'does the price match the sound' ?
In article that I posted, you may see thats its price in the time of launch was around 7000usd (by todays rate eur-usd)
So, if some 14 years later you should pay 8000 usd for used machine, I would not consider that as a favorable investment and I do believe that there are better options
However, our opinions on that matter might be different.
Regards and inform us of your decision and your listening impressions
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Dear Alexatpos,
Tks for your kind reply.
I checked the link in your response and use the translation to view the web link.
I found that the review is highly rated the 061 which in your comment there are other superior ones. Of course, one grade up costs more expense and give you different sound which is fair.
Being a Salary man, what I can afford is a 2nd gear in such kind of grade product with reasonable price. What I am concerning now is the C/P value instead of best possible reproduction. You know some times, the higher price may not sound better for it is important for the combination of the audio gears. That is the fun of the audiophiles.
Thank you again for your valuable opinion.
Faust |
Well, in my country (Croatia) the vat is 25% . Also we have custom taxes for non EU products... But, it is the Burmester’s policy to increase their prices every year and their products, as good as they are. are basically the same. New 061 costed around 7500 usd here (001 was around 11 000 usd) if we apply todays exchange rates for eur-usd It should be considered as player of that price range, regardless of todays prices So, as you have said, they have become sort of status simbol that only the welthy can afford and imho that should not be reason for purchase of any true music lover. Do not know the prices of other brands there, but as I said, 8000 usd can buy you a lot of gear on sh market and you should be able to find better solutions than 061 player. The price here,or in EU in Sh is around 3500-5000 usd for it and even for that price, there is lot of strong competition, imho. here is the link from domestic review, you can use the google translator
http://www.audiofil.net/hifi_item.asp?NewsID=204
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Dear Alexatpos,
Thank you for your kind share of your wonderful experience.
In our country, audio equip. needed to paid import duty and commodity tax + VAT 5%. In addition, the electronic gears has to do EMC exam which would cost importer extra burden while the people who likes to enjoy the audio is getting less and less now. That is why the audio selling price is almost 30% higher than those in EU or U.S.A. even the EU also has high VAT tax. Taiwan is a small volume market for those high end gears especially when the price is soaring so high vs. our income.
Unless you purchase the products from the authorized importer, your products won't get fixed by the distributor. But there are still consumers try to buy from the private route in the audiogon or hi-fi mart...etc. with some what cheaper price with the risk of service problem.
Burmester 061 is pretty good gear, but it;s price is still only affordable by the high income consumers such as business owner or Dr. for it's selling price is US$ 12,000 for the new one. But even we try to find the 2nd hand one, the price is still awesome for general salary man.
That is why I am so cautious to hand in inquiries for how about it's performance and the C/P value over here to prevent making mistake
decision.
Thank you all for your kind reply.
Faust
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If may add few comments, as I have had 061 player, as well as 001.
In fact, I had 001 twice and after owning Dcs Puccini with clock, if I could I would buy Burmester 001 for a third time.
As for your question...
I live in Europe and here its possible to buy Burmester gear for more reasonable price.
In that regard, the 061 is certainly a nice player, but imho you could find better ones for 8t usd, in Usa
The 001 is much better player, even more when its used with 011 preamp (had it too)
The service itself should not be a problem, because the Burmester has spare parts and the sevice could be done, like with Arc, for a price, of course.
Also, much depends on the rest of your sytem, so I cant comment how it would sound, but if you are considering to use it as dac (it has usb port) than I woud suggest you even stronger that you search for other solutions
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Dear @faust168 it is B u r mester not Brumester, forgive me for pointing this out. Eish!
Dieter Burmester was a perfectionist about his Audio Produkts and all show what I mean here.
I'm using his 961 speakers bought in 1996 in Munich at the time.
BTW, the good man died of a heart attack in mid 2015 but his works continue in Berlin.
His products are most highly regarded in German Audiophile circles.
What has all this to do with your post?
I say, if I could lay MY hands on any of his products for a price I could afford (negotiate of course) I totally would go for it.
His electronics (and speakers) are absolute classics, and some are even on display at the NY museum for technology.
What more can I say, really exceptional products, particularly those from his living aera...
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Dear
Studio,
Tks for your
reply on the subject in which the products are rare to be comment in the web or
SNS. Maybe the high price is the issue.
Eventually, unless you have sensitive ears and love music a lot with budget to
spend, or the Brumester won’t be in the list.
As I mentioned
that I am familiar with the boss of the audio shop, generally he always demo the
top end of the Brumester in the shop except the speaker. He told me that he is
the most capable Brumester dealer in Taipei for his sales capability.
The system in
the shop is 077 pre and the 001 CD player and the speaker is B & W 802 D2,
when the they warm up, the sound produced very like analogue tastes. The boss is
good in sound tuning. He can persuade his former customers to upgrade their
former audio gear to a more high end one. Of course, the customers must be able
to afford for even the trade in gear are quite high to salary man’s wallet.
If the 061 CD
hasn’t been sold after a 1~2 months, I might have opportunity to ask a
Test listening
with my system, if it sound right with my combo, I will have interest to buy one
and write my listening experience for sharing.
Tks. For your patience.
Faust |
Friend
To your point, as long as you have all the relevant information and have calculated the pros and cons - the only thing to do is make the purchase and enjoy.
The research I conducted confirmed that the Burmester 061 contains the CD Pro 2 transport - which is still available; and the unit can be used as a DAC - which is a positive as well.
So, if you are really set on Burmester and have done your homework - purchase and enjoy.
I had had a chance to get the Levinson 31.5 Transport but decided not to based on the likelihood of the laser mechanism needing replacement.
Please post your impressions once you make the purchase.
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Dear Studio
Tks for your reply. High end gear usually cost much even it's mid level gear. The important thing is the match issue. The boss is an experienced Audiophile who is good at selling top end gear to the enterprise owners or Dr. I always visit his shop and listen to what's his new settings. He said the sound of Brumeister sound is clear, transparency, details, would be capable of making a good combination with my power Amplifier. The Accuphase A47. A type with warm and not so fast response. Both combo would have synergy in sound reproduction. Also, he promises to lend the grar for me to do home listen for comparison. The only problem now is the $. I find the one 2nd on international markets costs only US$6000 which is 2000 cheaper. The only difference is the one from the shop is sell through formal distbuter, you will be able to find the fix place once needed.
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Friend
Burmester makes some of the most attractive equipment you can find; and from an aesthetic standpoint you would be very satisfied with any piece you have the opportunity to purchase.
Now, from a purely Sonics and reliability standpoint you are entering into a territory that could become problematic when you consider the laser pick up on the CD player as well as service to the unit becoming difficult to find.
If superior Sonics is what you want but still want some flare to make your System look nice - look for a used Levinson, Nagra, or Playback Designs. |
