Brinkmann vs TW Acustic

When I read his thread I am reminded of the middle ages when someone (!) discovered that earth is not flat. I think the guy used a spyglass (Timeline) for his discovery a least it supported his research. Learning from some postings in this thread questioning the ability of the Timeline or of some units with deviances (??? just assumptions, never proved) couldn't it be that the leaders of the defense line are slipping into the same role as the FLAT supporters in those days did?

It is the spyglass which is the problem! Isn't it? Damn it!

Suteetat,
I use Timeline, Allnic Strobe, Kuzma on my tables. Timeline is by far the most accurate but also very difficult to reach strobe. I wouldn't say that small deviations with the Timeline mean in any case that the table is not working precisely. But if you go for absolut speed control - and we know this is only one parameter - Timeline is by far the best.
I have tested eg. my Micros (SX 8000 and SX 8000 II) with the Timeline. When using the VPI SPS in my flywheel configuration I can reach a stable flashing on one spot.

Proper speed is not an issue of if you are using Timeline or not. I learned that turntable design always concentrated on this important parameter reaching accurat speed or not. Nevertheless I got to known a guy who loved his benchmark system while playing his table with far too slow speed. But he loved this sound. So how should we comment? People sometimes love their systems not knowing what they are doing maybe and like in the dark ages of our history if you tell them they need starting corrections they offend.

Suteetat,
very helpful description of your experiences. In fact Timeline is a precise instrument but for daily business I prefer my Allnic or my Kuzma strobe. I use the Allnic on my Micro SX 8000 (the blue one). It is nice to put the light in a permanent position switching it on when you fix the clamp. Calibrating then with the SDS is very easy and precise.

Regarding the different weights of the clamps or strobes I am a bit careful when using heavy ones. Usually I don't use them on air supported TTs.

BTW I agree with your experience that the Koetsu Coralstone is a very good match with the Micro Seiki on a FR-66 tonearm.

Dear Peterayer,
I have no experience with the Vibraplane. But what I learned by my experiments with Copulare, HRS and Micro Seiki platforms it is better to isolate drive and motor on different platforms. If you are using a flywheel cconfiguration you may end up with three platforms completely separated from each other.

hmm - I was wondering what Ebm wants to tell us:

his four short remarks in this thread are:

- TW Acoustic best sonding best made

- If you have an ax to grind there are many happy TW ACUSTIC owners out there

- Keep on trucking mr wonderful we know your turntable is the best on the planet!!

- Dev if its boring why answer after all you know everything

Ebm, do you see how you are speaking about yourself!? while not giving any substantial argument in the thread discussion.

Dgad,

yes, you`re right it blocks motor vibrations if implemented properly.
This no argument against speed control or not using the Timeline. It is an additional measurement improving the sound. Believe me I worked and experimented a lot on vibration issues. Also the original air dampened Micro base for my SX 8000 II comprises two separated top-bases , one for the motor, one for the drive. To put the exact pressure on the belt or string you can move them closer by a very smart button device on the side of the heavy base. A very elegant and effective solution!

Dear Peterayer,
you concern is absolutely okay. You need to level all three platforms in a way that they meet exactely the height you need. I do this with Copulare Coral lifters under the platforms by which you can adjust pretty fine turning the lifter. Just try it - you will not believe what you heard before!

In the SME case you described everything is done well.