Brinkmann vs TW Acustic

I own the TW AC-3 and I just went over and brought out the KAB speedstrobe. 33 and 45 was rock solid still. I have not checked the speed for 6 months or so.
I own the 2nd version of the motor driver. I tried the battery one and thought that was a step backwards for me in my system as it blunted attack and drive, while sounding a bit more pure.

I believe the perception of speed issues may lie in the way the TW plays music. I also own a LP12 and a dd Exclusive P3 table.
Compared to both these tables the TW's bass is slow and full lacking the prat these other tables have. The P3 is so quick and nimble in the bass, going directly back to the TW, the TW sounds as if it is running slow :-)
The TW has a grander presentation. To me that is the rub.

Depending on one's system, the TW could be diamonds or soft rocks.

Hi Andrew

I just tried your playing a LP under the KAB disc. The speed was exactly the same as no lp playing. 33 and stable :-)

Can't say I have ever subscribed to the notion that stylus drag effects the speed on any decent turntable.

I have the OEM tw stilpoint ultras. They are designed to have a gap between bottom and top of still point. Funny, I tried Still point Ultra SS and I preferred the sound of the OEM aluminium's.

Cheers

Hi Andrew

I have the AC-3, so 3 motors.
Never had an issue to align the belt in the middle of each motor pulley. Just adjust the feet slightly and after some slight changes the belt aligns perfectly. My VPI HRX belt always vibrated all over the place, so the TW a lot better:-)

Are you sure the 33 drifts slightly to the left? KAB says left is faster.

BTW, what mat do you use, or are you direct to the copper plate. I have tried the millenium, Boston and no mat. I found the Living Voice is quite a bit better than all of these. Dgad recommended it a while back.

Cheers

Dgad

Up to last week I had been running with no mat as well. The arm board was set up for the tall dyna xv-1s. The Lyra Atlas is not as tall and was down the bottom of the Phantom vta tower. I think that may not be optimal and on the Phantom.

I had to use the mat to use the overachieving denon dls1 on my 2nd armwand, so also used it when I went back to the Atlas. I was surprised how much better the mat sounded.

I may need to lower the height of the arm board to get a more fair comparison. That is a pita to do thou:-)

Dgad

Funny you mention your spring suspension being off with muddy bass. Sounded a bit like mine but I mentioned slow bass.
I put 2 additional springs under my platform to make 6 and the improvement in the bass is substantional. A lot tighter giving more detail through the mids and upper frequencies. Overall the table is a lot more enjoyable playing music.

This just goes to show the double edged sword of high end analog audio. All a bit frustrating really as I am sure there is better performance available.

Considering the TW turntables (& lots of others), Is there a isolation system that either TW recommends or that users out there believe is the best to get the most out of the TW or any non suspended turntable?

Cheers

DEV

You don't the AF1 do you? If you do, insanely envious :-)

EBN

The Symposium Ultra provides no isolation properties. It dissipates some energy at some resonant frequency, but isolates absolutely nothing.
I own an Ultra Platform and it is a nice footer, however I do not use it under my TW table as it does nothing to help isolate.

Cheers

Cto157
My Raven AC with 3 motors. Two at the side and one at the back takes 6.7 seconds to stop based on 4 samples.

Cheers