Biasing issue with Audio Research VT100 Mk II


Hi Everyone, I recently had an Audio Research VT100 Mk II repaired and retubed by the Audio Research authorised dealer here in Germany. Upon checking the bias after the repair, I noticed that the output tubes were biased at 115m V, whereas they should be at 130m V (2x 65m V) according to the manual and printing on the circuit board. For the left channel, I adjusted  the trim pot to increase the bias to 130m V. For the right channel, I could only get to 119m V before the trim pot wouldn't turn anymore, i.e. the trim pot is turned as far as it will go and it's still not enough. I'm guessing that running the amp at 119m V should be no problem but I also suspect that I might sacrifice some sound quality. I also just want it to meet the specs since I just paid a lot of money for the repair. Any ideas on how to resolve this? I don't want to send it back if possible since it's such a beast to transport. Would switching the left and right output tubes help (they are JJ 6550s)? The left channel tubes have  "27 mA" written on their boxes, whereas the right channel tubes have "23 mA" written on their boxes.

edward78

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@edward78 said:

That’s a good idea with swapping to see if the problem travels with tubes or stays (with the amp). Will give it a try, also raising the bias slowly.

Power tubes only! The 6922 tubes are biased for the tube sockets (circuits), they are installed in.

https://www.arcdb.ws/Database/VT100/ARC_VT100_bias_adjustment.pdf

You won’t find that in the owner manual...

https://audioresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/VT100II_Manual.pdf

 

I also just want it to meet the specs since I just paid a lot of money for the repair. Any ideas on how to resolve this? I don’t want to send it back if possible since it’s such a beast to transport.

Was it a total retube? Therein 6922 tubes replaced as well? You just don’t install new 6922 tubes in a VT100 II. They have to biased.

Did you have any problem setting the bias on the power tubes at 130mV before sending the amp in for service? Are you using a good multimeter?

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Courtesy of Abe Collins.

http://mycollins.net/audio/artube1.html

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@edward78 said:

my multimeter is new and is from KAIWEETS.

Model number?

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I’m still only able to get to 129m V but that is close enough. The trim pot is now maxed out on the left channel (before it was the right), so it seems that the problem is related to the tubes.

Did the amp come to you with all the new tubes installed in the tube sockets already?

IMO, you have a problem with the amplifier. Could be just the power tubes???

You need to be able to directly contact the repair shop that fixed and re-tubed the amp. Going through the Dealer and Distributor just doesn’t work!

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It would also be nice to have a bit of headroom on the bias adjustment in case I ever want to go above 129m V for whatever reason.

Every time the amp, (amplifier) is playing music the power tubes are using up their life. For the VT100 II the average tube life is around 1500 to 2000 hours, going from memory. (YMMV)... The harder you push the amp the shorter the life of the power tubes. Over setting the bias voltage above specs, 130mV, will use up tube life faster.

Hopefully the new 6550 tubes were pre burned in, at least 48 hours, 72 hours is better. Bias for the power tubes was then checked, set again before the amp was shipped to you. IF the power tubes were not pre burned in then the bias voltage should be checked after the amp has been playing music for a few to several hours.

You should have been advised to check the bias on the power tubes again after hooking up the amp to your speakers. Reason is the repair shop AC mains voltage may be higher or lower than your nominal AC mains voltage. That will have an impact on the bias voltage setting.

Depending how often you listen to music, and how hard you push the amp, will determine how often you check the bias on the new power tubes. The bias is not set once and then forgotten... If you listen to music everyday, for say a couple of hours each day, with the new tubes you might want to check the bias again after a week or two. If the bias voltage measures the same without having to adjust it then you might want to check it again in about 4 weeks. If the bias voltage measures good then you might then check it every other month. Your usage of the amp will determine how often you will need to to check the bias. After the tubes get a few hundred hours on them you may find you only need to check the bias every six months.

What you will find as the power tubes age, (from playing music), you will need to increase the setting on the blue trim pots to raise the bias voltage to 130mV. Usually near end of life of the power tubes the tubes will not hold a bias.

FYI, when checking, setting, the bias for the power tubes the amp should be allowed to stabilize without any signal applied for at least 30 minutes. Therein after first being turned on or after listening to music.

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@edward78,

Just a word of warning in case you are not aware... The DC voltage on each side of the resistor you use to set the bias 130mVDC is around 420VDC to the metal chassis of the amp.

If you do not have any of these or something similar I strongly suggest you buy some ASAP before doing anymore testing with the probe leads using the multi meter.

PAGOW 10pcs Multimeter Test Hook Clip, Electrical ...

*** NOTE THE SILVER COLOR PHILLIPS HEAD SCREW JUST ABOVE THE BIAS TEST RESISTOR... That screw is B - chassis ground... If the probe of the multimeter lead touches the resistor lead, either side, and the Phillips head, or the DC B+ rail circuit trace of the Phillips head screw, there will be one big loud bang and a lot of damage to the DC rail circuit trace of the amp where the resistor lead connects... It will blow a hole in it!!!

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Correction to my above post.

If the probe of the multimeter lead touches the resistor lead, either side, and the Phillips head, or the B + rail circuit trace, the resistor is soldered to, and the Phillips head screw at the same time, there will be one big loud bang and a lot of damage to the DC rail circuit trace of the amp where the resistor lead connects... It will blow a hole in it!!!

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