Bi amp and bias issue


Hello I need help with biamping my magnepan 3.5r I have a krell Kav 2250 25.7 gain 2.53vrms input sensitivity for bass and rogue audio m150 29gain 1vrms input sensitivity.

I tried using stock crossover using krell for bass and rogue for mid and tweeter and it works but only when i use triode mode on rogue if i switch to ultra linear when I try to bias the meter on rogue oscillates. 
I contacted rogue they said its the tweeter load the amp is not designed to play just the tweeters but i tried running just the tweeter with it and not turn on the krell and it does not oscillate . 
I replaced the 12ax7 driver tubes on the rogue with 12au7 and that stopped the oscillation but rogue said they dont know how it will affect the amp in long term. 
Another problem im having is that the rogue plays alot louder than the krell

also if anyone is curious the rogues sound better playing the speakers than the krell rogues are 150 watts into 4ohm and krell are 500w the bass sounds better with most music including pop techno hip hop with the rogues the krell sounds better when theres alot of energy lots of fast bass sounds where the rogues dont have as much grip during those passages.

the rest of the system is denon dl103r mc /jensen mc transformer/rega p3 /hagerman trumpet phono/
beep23

Showing 5 responses by georgehifi


Here is why, for the 1ohm resistor to create even the slightest HF filter in the highs on these Maggies. The Maggie’s panel themselves would have to have a parallel capacitance from pos to ground as seen by the 1ohm resistor of 10uF or higher which no amp could handle.

Like I said beep23, just use the $6.00 50watt 1ohm resistor to make the Rogue stable when in UL mode.
https://www.newark.com/vishay/rh0501r000fe02/wirewound-resistor-1-ohm-50w-1/dp/41K9144

https://ibb.co/HT8w2jz

Cheers George
Add a resistor if needed, but adding resistance will be detrimental to the high frequency response. I like accuracy

Sorry, no it won't.Cheers George


I don’t agree George, keep all resistances to a minimum.


That’s your prerogative,

Yes (min resistance) that is normally the way for full range, and when the bass is involved, for better damping factor.
But because it’s just the mids and treble, it won’t make any difference, and will be beneficial to the stability of the amp.
As the amp will be a little less stable in UL mode compared to Triode, and goes into semi oscillation when it sees that inductor across it’s output and certain frequencies. And the 50w 1ohm series resistor should cure that without any side effects.
beep23 Planers and ESL’s are known for their naturalness through the mids and highs, don’t "sterilize" them up with using active electronic xovers, keep the passive to feed them.

Cheers George

For bass ok use active xovers, but mids and highs to me are always more natural sounding using good quality passive xovers no matter what active xover were used.

So as I said in my last post just use the 20w 1ohm resistor and your triode mode tube should then be stable

Cheers George
I tried using stock crossover using krell for bass and rogue for mid and tweeter and it works but only when i use triode mode on rogue if i switch to ultra linear when I try to bias the meter on rogue oscillates.


If this diagram is correct, there is on the mid/hf panel a .387H choke across the amps speaker terminals, it will seem like a nasty load at certain frequencies, more so in UL than Triode mode https://ibb.co/h7Rw0N2

I would try for a couple of dollars, a big 20-50w 1ohm resistor in series between the Rouge amps + terminal and the + input to the mid tweeter panel terminal, (at the speaker end) this should cure the problem. (may lower the mid/hi level just a touch)
https://www.newark.com/vishay/rh0501r000fe02/wirewound-resistor-1-ohm-50w-1/dp/41K9144



Cheers George