Better Subwoofer for 2 channel Music: Focal Utopia Sub or JL Fathom f113


Hello Everyone,

I am looking for a good sub at about the 2K price point and am considering either the Focal Utopia Sub (15" woofer, 1000W RMS) or the JL Fathom f113 V1 (13.5" woofer 2500 RMS)- The fathom being slightly more expensive on the ’used’ market.  Both subs are highly rated and the Fathom seams to be very highly regarded on this site so I would like to try it. At the same time, my speakers are FOCAL Utopia BE series so I think the Utopia Sub will gel nicely and I would be able to save several hundred bucks to put towards other tweaks if I went with the focal sub. Currently I have a Monitor Audio Gold 12 Sub (12" woofer 600W RMS) which is very good, but want to see if either the Utopia or the Fathom is much better,  and I mostly use the Monitor Audio in my HT set up anyway.

Specs wise:

Focal Utopia BE Sub  - 15" woofer, 1000W RMS

JL Fathom f113 V1  - 13.5" woofer 2500W RMS

Both subs go down to ridiculously low Hz.

Usually, I am less into specs and more about hearing music (and not sure how important these specs are anyway) but I am not able to audition either of the subs (let alone in my system) , so kinda shooting in the dark and would appreciate some advise on which way to go as these are also heavy and expensive to move around to deal with!.

I imagine I will keep the new sub for a while.

I’d like the sub to merge with my speakers as seamless as possible, and provide that extra lower-level feeling and punch when needed.

Does anyone have experience with either (or both to compare)? Thank you in advance.


Aside -   My 1 pair of preamp LXR-outs is taken up by the connection to the Amp. So I would connect the sub via one of the two remaining RCA outs from my preamp - is there is a better way?

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Showing 2 responses by gillatgh

All good info in posts with which I generally agree. To the OP who asks about specific subs, Focal, JL, I’ll say this:
I know nothing about the Focal but enough about JL to be dangerous. Using a JL in my system F112 v2 has really upped my game, one of the most valuable upgrades I’ve made. That said JL has had their share of issues that were addressed in their v2 versions. I’d stay away from earlier versions. The JL IMO is the current leader in subwoofers. Very well defined, articulate, tight, fast, accurate and reproduces the lows down to below your hearing, below hearing you can feel it though.It has all the functions available to integrate it with your system regardless of name brand and will integrate seamlessly with some effort. Once I properly integrated my sub it gave a truly magical representation of the material. It’s a powerful piece of audio equipment. It also has its own room correction software to tame the modes. I do not use the correction as my listening space is such that it’s not necessary. Depending on material localization can be easily determined at frequencies mentioned in other posts depending on your crossover settings. Would I like a dual setup? Absolutely but at the price I easily can live with just one.

Add in to address hook up question, 
I have my sub connected to the Preamp via its available variable RCA output. This allows for the Preamps volume control to adjust sub volume simultaneously with the left and right channels. 

My space dimensions are 15 x 23 x8
Hope this helps,

@akg_ca , what a great synopsis of the subwoofer and quite truthful in many ways.............................all the way to the blatent plug or advertising for Vandersteen, I stopped reading at that point.
Are Vandersteen good? Probably. Are they the absolute best? I doubt it. .Are they the only sub in the marketplace of audiophile subwoofers that will satisfy the discerning audiophile? I'll leave that answer to the discerning audiophile. Subwoofers are one of those animals where you get what you pay for at least for now. I don't know what your Vandersteen cost but am pretty darn sure there are equally capable  products from other manufacturers.