Best Sonus Faber for 16 sq room. ?

Hi the Elipse is not a good choice i think
its a completly new model
its more like a cremona with deeper bass

and its not build by the wizard him self mister Franco Serblin.

The cremona was actualy his last real creation before the stradaviari.

Derfor its the cremona or the anniversario because in the amati anniversario its still his designes working togheter

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sorry for the not so clear describtion its 415 cm(4.15 meter) times 385(3.85 meter) and cm 3.30meter height

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Yes saki yes you answer is correct .

Why only sonus faber ? Simply because I love them.

No turning back now );

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Hi branimir

If i where to chose the memento i would sit 3.5 meters from them .

Regarding the Krells i dont beleive the would be a stepup from the gamut l3`s.
For one the are using the same scanspeak drivers.
Also the are build by Lars goller witch is the former head ingeneer at scanspeak and is the brian beheind scanspeak drivers ,and besdes that the sound seriously good.
bettter then the cremona auditor for sure.

But still the dont provide that full range musical vindue.

My room has a complete seeling treatment and a Thick wall to wall carpet and wall treatment behind my listning position.
The gamuts are to small for my room simpel as that the dont go deep enourgh.

Actually i had a long talk with the Nordic Sonus faber distrubiator witch has set up Alot of stradivari´s and amatis annis and also has alot of personal experinces with the both the old and the new amati.

He said that the amati anni will not be a problem for my room .
He told me that the amati anniversario is xtremly well balanced and the are the easyest of the homage speakers to setup and also quit room friendly.

He also pointed out that the anniversario actually where more room frindly then the old homage because the midrange driver in the old homage could be to much in your face if the speakers wher not placed correct .

What he pointed out was that the floor would be the biggest problem ,
also as you point out a minimun of 3 meters to the drivers is needed
But if i placed them fare out in the corners and toed in i would have plenty of room on the sides of the speakers and a listning distance of 3.4 meters to the bas drivers of the amati.
And when I pointed out that i had ATB room correction in my amp he said go for it for sure.

Because when i had the Lyngdorf Roomperfect system the best spot to place the speaker wher in the corners and toe then in so the cross right before my head .
This way the base only travels from the corners and here i can controll them via the the roomcorrection in my amp.

My old system consisted of tactaudio w210 corner subs and the gamut l3 all driven by to lyngdorf tda2200+ amps and a cd-1 player

The big corner subs consists of 2 *10 inch drivers in each of the to corner woffers and are placed in the corners.
And the produse some serious bass sounds .
At least as powerfull as the stradivari
since the are very efficent and driven by a currents trong fully digital amp.
but via the advanced eq is was abel to get a perfect well balanced sound with plenty of deep base in that room.
Just use the atb to locate where the bass overpowers the room and its fixed.
The roomtretment will do the rest.

But as i have experinted before no body really know how its going to sound until the are in my room.

regards

Hi branimir

I respect your view about my oppinions.

Regarding the lat-2000 no i have never heard them.

My amp is a aberdeencomponents moddified tact millenium mk4/mk3.
The tda2200 is not good enourgh for speakers like amati anniversario.
The moded millenium is a intirely diffrent story
best i have ever heard.


here in denmark the country wher Dynaudio scanspeak seas vifa and Audio technologies are from the gamut l3 is regarded the best there is for a two way speaker.

The krells im sure the are amazing .

I do know that it normaly will a very bad idea haveing the annis in a place as mine.

But every thing is very system depending .

For starters my amp sounds nothing like a krell amp.

Its completly neutral and if you pare it with small 2 way speakers if will sounds xtremly smooth but booring because it dossent have that larger then life bass output.

The millenium loves fullrange speakers but it never overpowers the bass.
Its also very powerfull it has over 110 peak current.
Heard it with B&W 801 d and it hold them with iron grib.

Im not a huge fan of roomcorrection but the EQ in my amp dos a marvelos job controling the bass in a system.

As i see it its the annis or another smaller fullrange speaker thats maybe a littel smaller.

regards

Here is the mail i got from the disbutiator

I will of course also answer in English, even though I have a feeling
that I could understand you even if you spoke in Danish.

Well well. Here goes.

I have had many opportunities to demo and install both the older
version
of Amati and the new Anniversario. Maybe a bit surprising, I feel that
these are two quite different speakers. The first time I set up the
Anniversarios, I was very surprised by the fact that they started to
sound good even before I had done the final positioning of the
speakers.
And from brand new too!

The original versions are much more picky about placement. If you do
not
do it right, the midrange will overpower the presentation, creating an
uncomfortable feeling of too prominent voices and an upfront
presentation in general. This is not the case with the Anniversario.

After two more installations with the Amati Anniversario, my initial
impressions were just reinforced. When I met Giovanni and Cezare at the
London Show, I brought that fact up. I even had a nickname for the
Anniversario - I called it the "plug-and-play speaker" from Sonus
Faber.

They laughed, but explained to me that they had laid down hard work
with
the Anniversario to make the midrange integrate better with the rest of
the spectrum, and to make the speaker as linear and phase correct over
the entire frequency spectrum as they possibly could. This work also
resulted in higher overall efficiency, a more tolerant amplifier load,
and much improved dynamics compared to its predecessor. To show this
off
at the London show, they used a simple PrimaLuna ProLogue 2 amplifier
to
drive them. This system pleased more than 50 spectators at a time. I
was
quite impressed.

The specific pair that Jan Ostrom is willing to sell to you has been
installed by me personally at his very nice HiFi shop in Umea, Northern
Sweden. It is a very lively-looking pair, with especially nice wood
veneer, so I remember that Jan felt lucky over the looks of the
speaker.

I feel that you have the necessary environment and experience to get
spectacular results from this speaker. 16 square meters may not seem
much, but since you have two room treatment options (one manual and one
digital option), your main concern should be to find a listening
position that puts you on the correct distance from the speakers. You
do
not want to sit too close to any multi driver speaker. Even though the
main drivers (tweeter and midrange) are very close on the Amati
Anniversario, I would recommend that you place yourself on a distance
at
least 2 meters from the speakers, preferably a little more, for best
results.

So my advice is clearly to go for it. If you can afford it, it will
definitely enrichen your life. Your amplifier is more than adequate to
drive these beauties.
Jan is a good and trustworthy guy too. You will have no problems with
him.

Please get back to me if you have any further questions.

Thanks Kops

I see your point clearly and you are proberly right about me allready have maid up my mind.

Regarding floorstanders vs monitors monitors is out of the questian
My amp simply dossent performe well with monitors
No bass.

I know that if i get the anniversarios the job to make them work proberly will be very complexed.

I almost never listend to loud music only to show of somthimes but 99.9 % of the time i listen at moderate/low levels.

regarding my listning room i have alot of knowledge about roomacoustics .
Because i have had roomcorrection for a long time both the old tact2.2 and the new lyngdorf roomperfect .
I also pay alot of atension to the room when im listning to new gear at a new place.

If there ever was a 16 sq meter room that couldt hause the annies it would be mine .

But maybe The Cremona would be a great start because the can be bourgt cheap and sold later with no loss in value.
And simply see if a floorstander will work in my room.

But if a secondhand pair in graphite anniversario comes up for sale at a good price.

I do think i will take the plunge.

regards

This decribes pretty much why i even think of getting the amatis

The Sonus Faber Amati Anniversario will be happy both in a large and a
small room. The Stradivari, however, requires at least 25 square meters
to be able to perform its whole register.

Regarding dynamics, the Amati Anniversario EASILY outperforms both the
older Amati and the Cremona. The very exclusive Skaaning drivers, made
to Sonus Fabers requirements, and the new filter topology are both
responsible for that.

Like HiFi Choice put it in their initial test of the Amati
Anniversario:

"-Anybody NOT liking the Amati Anniversario must have had their
FUN-button removed long ago."

I think that sums it up quite nicely.

Please get back to me if you have any further questions.

Best regards

Thanks for all the replays

Must say that im not expecting super results .
And if it wassent for my amps nature i would have bourgt a monitor for sure.
but is there eny one that will back up Kops about the fact that The Cremona would be the best choice for now.?

Or is it exactly the same problem regardless of witch fullrange SF i chose and ther for i might as well get the Amati`s?

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Jamnesta

I have heard that the ms5`s is proberly the worst speaker to place in a small room .

I have seen it and heard it
BIG awsome speaker but very Loud and deep bass

I will not stuff enything into a pair of annaversario amati never ever ; )

I will use the millenium Eq to eleminate unwanted bass

regardws

Hi

I have decided to get the cremonas or maybe even a smaller sonus faber and waith for the a cheap pair of second hand anniversarios in the future.

I have never owned a pair os sonus faber speakers and will rather take it slow and easy upgrading along the way enjoying myself each step of the way

also my system as it is right now are so good that i have a gut feeling that no matter what speakers i hook my systm up with it will sound insane.

One thing that still puzzels me is regarding my thick carpet and fullrange speakers.

Couldent i explore this so that the speakers will paly less basslike ???
Maybe place the spikes on small platforms that sides on the carpet and the carpet working as a vibration killer.?

regards
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I see yout point ; )

but my amp works not like other amps

I have heard it with gamut l3( my former speakers) jm lab utopia micro SF cremona auditor

The result is the soundstage is like one big voice No deepth and the dynamics is limited

Even with my very temporay speaker (system audio) wich is a small fullranger
Wich costs only a tiny fragment of the gamut or jm labs
sound smuch more satisfing.

My amp is TRUE neutral it makes other solid state amps sound like subwoffer amps

When we hooked it up to the b&w 801 wich is a xtremly power hungry speaker it sounded like a big monitor
with a big amp

The shop wich is the major store here in denmark sells classe gear and other higend gear also tact/lyngdorf audio
said the the millenium was the only amp the had heard that truly broad the best out of the B&W the playd tight and LOUD
the said that other amps even monster size classe amps maid the 801 sound to heavy and slow in the lower regions

If god forbits me having sonus faber florstanders i will find a nother floorstander ; )

regards

Kops

You are suddenly right its not a questian IF i get the amatis its more a questian when .

One think (IMHO Annis are better in "violino rosso" and Strads in graphite)
have you seen the anniversario in both colours ? i have only seend it Graphite Beatiful.

Also what do you mean here ? (the spikes on the carpet and pass the carpet down to the floor)

Regarding the YTER cables

If enything hifi cable related ever maid sence to me it was to use the same cables as used inside the speakers
so the are a MUST for sure.

I know that im proberly speaking to myself here

But a general rule with roomcorrection is to always have the bass in the corners (this is of cause the worst place if you diont have roomcorrection)

Tact lyngdorf audio makes there speakers to fit in he corners.

Ofcause the best place to have the tweeter is not in the corner but in my room it WORKS and when the speakers are placed there i my room i get over a meter on each side from the tweeter to the walls.

The idea to have the bass placed in the corners is to activate the whole corner and also make sure that all the bass energy is located in one place (two) and here you can control it best.
If a fullrange speaker is placed fully out into a say smalish room you will get refections from ALL areas and wil mess up the time domain completly

When i had the gamuts i did alot of experimenting and the best sound i ever got in my room was to place them in the corners and run a full roomcorrection.

I understand why its hard for other people to understand how roomcorrection works because it turns it upside down how we are used to think about speakers and most importantly speaker placment.
I have had several long talks with Peter Lyngdorf (owner of lyngdorf audio dali speakers and NAD) and all thise talks confirms my own findings

Earlyer in my hifi life if somone told me that the would place a large speaker in the corners and use krell showclass amps i would ask if he intended to bring down the hause.

enyway thanks for all the replays

regards

Anniversario in 16 sq meters??????? Pleas dont say it like that ; )

Yes the amatis in a 16 sq meter room

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Hi kops

Ok i see yout point i have never seem but il bet the look very beatiful.

What about som kind of chone that the speaker`s spiks can be placed upon ?

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Hi kops

I will figure out somthing ; )

Eny way besides all that,
you have lived with this speakers and know what the are all about
I have only listend to them very brifly in a room i diddend know and with components and music i diddent know.

How would you describe them ?

regards

Well amazing that i can beleive.

But maybe a littel more detajled describsion would be nice.

Kops what amplification do you use on them ?

What i found out with old amati was that the where best mach with tubes and the source most be of high kval.

What about the anniversarios and amplification ?

regards