Benz Micro Glider Loading


Hello,

I have an original Benz Glider. The measurements that came with the cartridge is .9mv and suggested loading is 1000-47k.

I ran this into a Krell KSL w/phono stage at 1k with good results.

I’ve also ran this into a Rogue Audio Model 99 Magnum with tubed phono and Hagerman Piccolo head amp at 1k with good results.

Right now, I’m using a MoFi Studio phono pre and am running it at 1k.

I’ve tried higher and lower load settings and to my ears, 1k seems to be the sweet spot.

I’ve been looking at phono pre’s on Audiogon and USAudiomart. I noticed some of them don’t have 1k loading as an option.

Should this deter me from considering these units?

I noticed after doing some research that others have been running their Gliders at much less than 1k. I found that running it much below 1k kind of sucked the life out of the sound in my experience.

I should mention that I had the Glider retipped with a micro-line stylus profile. The original was elliptical.

Admittedly, I may not understand loading and how it works as well as others. I can only go by what sounds good to me.

nicktheknife

Showing 2 responses by mulveling

You have a "Medium" output Glider at 0.9mV and 24 ohm coils. Folks running a Glider below 200 ohms typically have the "Low" output version, at 0.3 - 0.4mV depending on series (e.g. L2 versus current SL) and 12 ohm coils. Therefore there are different loading requirements between "Low" and "Medium" (and "High") versions. (Note: the L / M / H versions may have been introduced in later series succeeding the original Glider -- the Glider goes way back!)

I have a "Medium" Wood SM, which is basically the same as a medium Glider in a wood body, and in my system it seems to like ~ 470 ohms best. But it’s still excellent at 220 or 1K. Below 200 ohms, you will start sacrificing some of its performance (due to loading losses), though it’s subtle at first. BUT if you like 1K in your system with your ears, then it would be wise to choose a phono stage which can achieve that (or thereabouts).

Some MC phono stages will lock the loading at 100 ohms. Yeah, I find that extremely annoying and limiting. It will be fine for a Glider L but a bit suboptimal for a Glider M, and very bad for a Glider H! The Benz PP-1 phono stage (sadly discontinued) is locked on the other side, at 22,000 ohms, but works great with all Benz (except the Ebony TR) and in that case it’s easy to bring the loading down to whatever you like with a DB Systems loading kit (which I’ve done). However if a phono stage only offer 100 ohms, unfortunately you cannot bring it up from that without internally modifying the unit or getting a different phono stage.

I can suggest:
The Hagerman Trumpet MC is very flexible, easy to adjust in gain & loading with front knobs, sounds great, and doesn’t cost much. Its main limitation is lack of adjustable capacitive loading for MM. It has a warm sound that goes GREAT with Benz cartridges. Due to a bit of noise floor, it’s best with the 0.4mV and higher models.

The Benz PP-1 (discontinued but available used) has a fixed 22K input load that can be used with splitters and loading plugs (e.g. the DB Systems Loading Kit) to hit any target load without internal modification (this loading plug technique can be used with any non-SUT based MC phono stage with a sufficiently high input impedance). The PP-1 is not as warm as the Hagerman, but only just. And it’s a bit quieter. For a Solid State unit, it’s quite warm and sweet! Unfortunately, it’s MC only. It’s a PERFECT match for the 0.4mV models. It still works great with the medium output models like your Glider, but I find the Hagerman a bit more optimal at that level. I.e. I find the Benz Wood SM (0.9mV) better on the Trumpet MC, but the Wood L2 (0.4mV) is better on the PP-1.

The Rogue Ares Magnum and Herron VTPH-2A are also good options (Herron uses loading plugs, Ares uses DIP switches for loading), but I find them tonally brighter / leaner versus the above options. My preference is usually with the sweeter stages.

MC stages with a SUT front end are generally not going to be very flexible with loading (Rogue Ares being an exception to this), as their loading is usually dictated by 47K ohms divided by the square of the step-up ratio.