Thanks, Randy. I forgot about their 30 day trial policy. Now, it will take some skills to convince my wife it is absolutely necessary.
Benchmark AHB2 amplifier - what to expect?
My current amplifier, driven by Benchmark DAC3 HGC, is Rowland model 102. It is basically couple of Icepower 200ASC modules packed into resonance free heavy case, with additional input differential amp THAT1200. These modules were used in many small class D amps, including Bel Canto S300 and M300. I feel that Benchmark AHB2 might be a good choice for few reasons:
- It matches my Benchmark DAC3 (electrically and physically)
- It has neutral sound, that I like, with very low noise floor (according to reviews)
- It could possibly extend trebles a little more (trebles are slightly veiled now).
My speakers are Hyperion Sound HPS-938, (a giant killer), but not too many people are familiar with them since company went bankrupt few years ago. They tend to sound warm (soft dome tweeter), with wonderful midrange.
I'm looking for anyone familiar with AHB2 and class D amps. I found favorable review of AHB2 vs NAD M22, but it might not apply to my situation since M22 is based on different modules (Hypex). My birthday is coming in a month and I could buy myself a present. I will be grateful for any comments.
- It matches my Benchmark DAC3 (electrically and physically)
- It has neutral sound, that I like, with very low noise floor (according to reviews)
- It could possibly extend trebles a little more (trebles are slightly veiled now).
My speakers are Hyperion Sound HPS-938, (a giant killer), but not too many people are familiar with them since company went bankrupt few years ago. They tend to sound warm (soft dome tweeter), with wonderful midrange.
I'm looking for anyone familiar with AHB2 and class D amps. I found favorable review of AHB2 vs NAD M22, but it might not apply to my situation since M22 is based on different modules (Hypex). My birthday is coming in a month and I could buy myself a present. I will be grateful for any comments.
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Mapman, thanks. I know it was a while ago, but how would you assess trebles? Was it an "airy" presentation? My Rowland is a little bit on the darkish side according to one editorial review. AHB2 might be good step-up for me from entry level class D, not to mention that is also very efficient with idle power of only 20W total and 0.5W at standby. I also like the fact that it utilizes quiet SMPS since it is efficient, plus line/load regulated and not sensitive to DC on mains (no transformer buzzing etc). |
Mapman, that is what I suspected - newer class D amps use either Hypex or Pascal modules. Randy, I suggested, that it is the very last moment we can buy something like that, since we're retiring in May. I also stressed out benefit of additional amplifier to make second system (Paradigm Studio/60 v2, Benchmark DAC1, Rowland 102). SHE SAID YES!!! and I placed the order a moment ago. With 30 day free trial (when ordered directly from Benchmark) I don't risk anything. Willemj, It is combination of class AB and class H, where supply voltage is modulated according to amplitude of the input signal in order to reduce wasted power. I wouldn't mind good class D, but Benchmark AHB2 got Stereophile 2017 recommended component class A and has great reviews everywhere else (I'm already tired from reading reviews). Thank you all. I will post small review. |
John Siau said that warm sound is great for voice or guitar but bad for instruments that have more complex harmonic structures than simple overtones. His exact quote: Personally, I do not like what warm sounding equipment does to the sound of a piano. Warmth is wonderful on vocals, guitars and certain instruments, but it beats against the streched overtones of a piano. The overtones in a piano occur at slightly higher than harmonic ratios, and these create beat notes with the exact integer ratios produced by electronic equipment (and speakers). Too much harmonic distortion will make a piano sound out of tune. |
When amp sounds bright or warm it means that it is adding own harmonics to the music. Slightly warm amp might be nice to shield against bright sounding records, but many people made a quest of finding the warmest sounding gear, warmth being treated as a virtue - the more the better. I prefer an amp that doesn't have character of its own. |
Toetapaudio, thank you for the info. I will keep it in mind. SST Ampzilla Monoblocks are too expensive for me, but perhaps Son of Ampzilla II is worth listening to, if Benchmark doesn’t work for me. I suspect that it has a lot to do with amp-speaker synergy. Many reviewers praised imaging of AHB2 including depth of the soundstage while one guy stated that it was the worst imaging he ever heard - completely flat with no depth whatsoever. He even said that his 10 year old son called it awful sounding. How this could be? I can understand that AHB2, being very revealing, can mercilessly uncover shortcomings of the system or recording, but I don’t know how imaging can be so bad, while it is supposedly great with another amplifier. On the other hand nothing surprises me after reading reviews of electric toothbrush on Amazon. One guy wrote that toothbrush is no good and gave it one star, the reason being that it stopped working after it was bitten by his dog. Perhaps there is not a lot of idiots, but they must be strategically placed, because I encounter one every single day. |
Viber6, I got AHB2 on Friday and so far I like what I hear. It started with recessed midrange, then sharp midrange, then softer midrange with extended highs. Bass got deeper. It sounds like if I would add sub to my older class D. What shall I expect in the future? How did it change in 60 days? My guess is that it will become a little bit more open and refined. Even now, it is far better than previous class D amp. Veil on the treble is gone, both extensions improved, better imaging, incredible bass control and slam, nice and natural attack and decay. Bryston is great amp (I read reviews), but it costs more and doesn't have as high WAF (wife acceptance factor), since AHB2 makes pair with DAC3 HGC. I bought new since it is hard to find used one, while new registered original owner gets 5 year warranty (and 30 day trial). |
Douglas, Thank you for a fine review. I had similar problems with position of connectors. My speaker cable wires are thick and don't bend 90deg. It forces them to go down on both sides of XLR input plug. Since wire on the outside of the plug encroaches on both 12V 1/8" connectors I had to force the 1/8" plug in (almost impossible). I find performance of the bass phenomenal. There are low notes that were completely missing before (why?), not to mention better dynamics. That is really strange since my speakers are benign load (6ohm, 3.6ohm min) while Rowland 102 has 5Hz -3dB limit and DF=4000 at low frequencies. AHB2 has 0.1Hz -3dB limit and DF=350 at 20Hz. I also find improved overall clarity from bass to high treble. Unfortunately some recordings still sound veiled while some others now sound thin (veiled before). It sounds wonderful on fine records but also ruthlessly reveals shortcomings of the poor recordings. Imaging is improved, both width and depth. I played drum solo on Chesky Records test CD and was absolutely stunned. It sounded like live set of drums playing in my living room. Bass control is better than before and the transients are fantastic. Pink Floyd's "Hey You" shook my windows and made me jump at the moment when drums and bass came in. Also sibilants are strong, but very clean, while upper trebles are delicate without brightness. Violins "sing" and trumpets have wonderful "bite". Shirley Horn "You won't forget me" title song with Miles Davis solo sounds great. Same for "It had to be you" with Brandford Marsalis solo. I put my ear, as close as I could, to the tweeter and it was completely silent. Heat sinks get very warm when playing at high level for extended time, but stay lukewarm at comfortable listening levels. So far AHB2 has only 25 hours of play time, but I expect further improvements to be subtle. To your suggestion about incorporating pink LED I have to say NO (I was awake). I encountered strange problem at the beginning. My remote stopped working. I tried it with different sets of batteries. I unplugged AHB2 and DAC3 to no avail. After about 20 min it started working again by itself. I thought, that since power timer on AHB2 was set to 40min it could've turn off DAC3 since it works both ways, but now I cannot repeat it - it turns on fine in the morning. I hope it was just a fluke. I'm going to disable this timer anyway (don't need it). |
Randy, you mean my clumsy attempt to write review? Yes it was in comparison to Rowland 102, but it is likely not very useful, since Rowland 102 is based on old, first generation of Icepower modules. I can only say that AHB2 sounds wonderful to me and it is getting better in all respects every day, but again it means nothing taking into consideration my limited experience. Rowland was a good amp (I keep it for the second system), but AHB2 is outstanding. I found interesting discussion on Audioasylum : http://https//www.audioasylum.com/messages/amp/205426/review-benchmark-ahb2-with-avantgarde-speakers-what-a-disappointment OP calls AHB2 a big disappointment in comparison to his SET amp, while in follow up discussion another person has completely different view. At one point John Siau, a lead engineer at Benchmark, explains why opinions can be so different. I solved the problem with my remote. Receiving diode in DAC3 had one pin poorly soldered. This pin connects to ground plane that sinks a lot of heat. It looked like soldered by somebody who doesn’t have any experience (or is blind). I fixed it to avoid shipping it back and forth, but I would expect better from Benchmark. The problem is that almost everything else is SMT - a well controlled process, but hand soldering depends on the skill of a person. RCA was famous for cold solder joints in their TVs (I had one with two cold joints), because it was most likely assembled by cheap unskilled labor. |
I appears that link above doesn't work, not to mention very long discussion. Let me show quotes from original post and two responses. OP: I don't pretend to be a professional reviewer (in fact this is the first time I've been moved to review any equipment), so can't explain exactly the differences, but it was akin to listening to a live acoustic performance versus listening to music through loudspeakers. The difference was not slight - it was dramatic. There is no "tingle factor" and no goose-bumps when listening with the Benchmark. If anyone says that the Benchmark is more accurate - frankly I don't care - I listen to music with my ears, not an oscilloscope! It was dull and lifeless by comparison. If you listen to live music there's inevitably background noise (you're sharing the auditorium with other people) and the acoustics are possibly not as good as a recording studio, but despite all the drawbacks, live music is so much more exciting to listen to. Similarly with the valve amps, an evening listening to music is thoroughly enjoyable. With the Benchmark it was little better than loud background music. Furthermore, the inclination was to turn down the volume of the Benchmark and turn up the SETs - inaccuracies, slight background noise and all! Music should be a thrilling experience and the Benchmark sadly doesn't offer thrills. Response1 (John Siau): Peter,Response 2: My experience with the Benchmark AHB2 driving sensitive speakers is somewhat different. In my current setup with Benchmark DAC2 HGC/AHB2, I am driving a pair of Klipschorns with a 105 dB sensitivity so in that sense they would be comparable to the Avantgarde speakers. |