I owned a wadia 23 and sold it to buy a bat vk d5. i found the bat unit too laid back for my taste. i then purchased a wadia 850, which i love. it's presentation is more forward and more lively. i've not heard the vkd5se nor the 861, but based on my experience with each company's other players, i don't see how you could go wrong with a wadia! if you decided that you didn't like it, i think the wadia would sell much quicker, too..
