Bad NOS tubes...


I just want to put this out there...as much as I would not like to...my head says otherwise. Tube buyers beware!!!

On 3/7/16 I bought 6 NOS Mullard 12au7 4003 tubes for my preamp from a vender out of Minesing, Ontario Canada... under the store front name of ’mullard.com’ http://www.mullardtubes.com/Mullard-ECC82-12AU7-CV4003/?ID=0&ProductID=153 and ’ tube products.com’ http://www.tubeaudioproducts.com/Mullard-Brimar/ProductDetail.aspx?CatID=65&ProductID=153#

The owner is one Alfred Kayser. On his site/sites he states all of his tubes are tested and matched for best performance values. Well,I went ahead and ordered and received said tubes. After 2-3 months of use I started to hear unacceptable levels of noise from my speakers,you know, the dirty sound of that dreaded tube noise of a scratching, distorted, dirty volume pot type of noise,which totally infringes upon the music. I went ahead and called Alfred and asked him about it and he just responded there is "nothing he could do" for me. Hey,no problem,but he advertised full-up tested tubes. If it was only one bad tube,I could understand,I’m a realist...things happen.

But!!!

Long story short,I came to find out that four of the six tubes are defective and are not what I paid for. Two are fine. So the moral of this story is...When buying tubes,do not go the cheaper route,find and use a "reputable" tube vender and save yourself some time,money and aggravation. Of course I will never use this guy again for any of my audio needs... Hope this is of some help to the Audiogon membership.

aolmrd1241

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Hello,and thanks for the replys. I put the stock tubes back in place that came with the pre and have had not so much as a burp from them. The two good nos tubes have seen time in the driver stage and are quiet as a mouse. So I do believe the four bad nos tubes are very much defective.
Elevick.I never said any of the nos tubes failed,they still work and make music. The problem is...distortion. So now we must have tube testing equipment to make sure we are getting what we pay? 

lewm said..."The driver stage is typically low stress, and, since there is no gain in the driver stage, most likely to be "quiet". Try the "bad" tubes in the driver stage and let us know what happens. What is the vintage and brand of the original set of "stock" tubes?"  

Lewm,I did just that,checking all of them through the drive stage. Four were noisy and two were quiet. I own a Prima Luna Dialogue Premium  preamp purchased on 5/28/15. The preamp came with  Primaluna stock tubes all around. They are all as quiet as a tomb... with roughly 600-700 hours on them. The NOS may have 125 hours of use. 
czarivey. The vendor is/was selling them as new,never used nos tubes. My estimate of 125 hours is from my point of view,all things being equal. Could they have been used before I got them? Know body knows that except the seller. And if they were used being sold as new...well,shame on him.
Elevick. Also in concern of a durability issue with the tubes in question. The 4003 Mullards are a military version of the 12au7. The Primalunas are a standard Chineese 12au7 tube with nothing special about them...as far as I know. One would have to assume the Mullards would be far more robust in design and production quality standards than the stock Primalunas. Looking at them side by side definitly confirms this to be a correct assumption.

Pins were clean. I swapped nos tubes one at a time and then listened...one at a time. Like I said 4 good and 2 noisy.  I have the 2 good nos Mullards running in the driver sockets and 4 stock ones in the 4  gain sockets  with another 12 hours of play time since I posted... Quiet as a mouse!


Jea48 asked...

Did you clean them?....Yes I did.

When were the tubes manufactured?..... I don't know the manufacture date.

Gold plated steel pins I assume?..... Steel pins,no gold plating.

How tight do the pins of the tubes fit the tube socket female contacts?.....Extremly tight.

Did your tubes come boxed like this?..... Yes.

steakster said... "To be fair: Two months ago, I also purchased a matched pair of NOS Mullard’s 12au7/CV4003/M8136 - from the same vendor Albert Kayser. They sound great! In my preamp, they are extremely quiet - and have no issues at all."

The two good mullards that I am using now in my preamp drive stage are just as you say...very quiet and sound great. My problem are with the remaining four... that do not make the grade with their noise issues. Believe me,I wish they did make the grade.