B&W 'New' 800 Series

Bo1972, if I thought it was a simple typo, I wouldn't post a correction but since you did it multiple times I'm thinking the help is needed...

The proper term is "toe-in", not "tow-in". "Tow-in" is what you get when your car breaks down on the freeway, and you call someone with a tow-truck. They give you a tow-in to the service station. Speakers get toed-in. Small difference, I know, but big difference in meaning.

As for the OP, my local Magnolia finally got the D3 series in, so I'm going to try and get over there for a listen, just out of curiosity and to see what all the chatter is about. From pictures, I don't dislike the new design.

The magnitude of the price increase, however, gives me pause. It's either ballsy, or crazy, and in a year or so we'll know with hindsight which one.

@Jkalman, if the number of pharmaceutical ads on TV these days is any indication, I'd say you're right!

All kidding aside, according to the CDC more than 20% of all Americans is on 3 different prescriptions, and more than 10% is on at least 5. That's scary.

Ok...back to enjoyable speaker talk...

This thread has become shameful. It was started as an invitation to discuss the improvements to the new B&W line, and to share comments about the aesthetics and how people feel about them. Bo has taken it completely off the rails, and it has devolved into a thread about his new business venture, his philosophies on audio reproduction, his feelings on the state of the audio industry, and his opinion (to which he is entitled, in all fairness) about how the new speakers aren't 3D enough.

It has been established that Bo dislikes the new D3 series, let's acknowledge that and move on. I myself recently got to hear the new series, and I posted a long writeup in another thread, and I'd like to see the thread get back on course.

(Is it just me, or does this happen too often here on AG? I'm a member of several other forums, Audiocircle, AVS, Hifiwigwam...I can't remember the last time a wigwam thread went off the rails like this. Just seems like this happens a lot here on AG. I sense a lot of hostility and exasperation here, which may mean that others are tired of this happening too)

I'm aiming for 6D sound in my room...it has to have width, height, depth, it has to warp time so I have two Saturdays every week, it has to further the laws of quantum mathematics and allow me to move through my house at the speed of light, and it has to mitigate earth's gravitational effect so that my scale says I only weigh 160 pounds. 3D sound is so 1996.

I'm now going to hijack the thread and post 300 times about 6D sound. Then I'll tell you about my new 6D Sound Generator. Which you'll all want to buy. I can't wait.

And for calling out the shameful behavior, my post was removed by the moderator.   Since there are clearly moderators viewing this thread, I'll ask them directly - how is it that you are allowing members to blatantly sell competing products in someone else's thread?   I didn't think that's what this forum was supposed to be about.   

CT, I wrote a little about this in another thread where I reported on my own listening test with the 802D3.   It was at my local Magnolia in Scottsdale, in a beautiful listening room with wall treatments (but no bass traps if memory serves), not cramped, with the speakers out into the room by maybe 3 feet from the back wall.   Given the demographics of Scottsdale, it's not a surprise that this particular store is decked out and well done - it carries Sonus Faber, B&W, McIntosh, Arcam, and some others.  I mention this only to provide context - many Magnolias are cramped and poorly arranged with no real space for the equipment to be properly spaced, but the one in Scottsdale is nicely upscale.

Anyway, we listened to the 802D3, and in that room they didn't get anywhere near that low.   We listened to the first track of the "Titanic" soundtrack which has some really cool low-frequency rumble effects that come in somewhere in the 25-30hz range and those effects just weren't there.   That's about as unscientific as it gets, of course, but I've heard those effects on other speakers so I knew what to listen for and it just wasn't there.   On another day, in another room, maybe someone else would experience them differently.

CT, the room in the photo at that link looks bigger than the room we were in, from the clearance on the sides, but hard to tell.   It was a nice-sized room, about as wide as my living room, but longer.  It's a rectangular shaped, long room with the 805 system on one end and the 802 on the other.  The amps in that photo, big McIntosh amps, that's exactly what was driving the 802D3 we heard.    I can call the store today for exact dimensions so we're not relying on my memory of the space, but I don't recall it being as spacious as the room at the link you posted.   We were sitting dead-center in the room, about 10' from the speakers.   And they were not toed-in at all.