Stage wide and depth is not about perception. It can be heard and it can be compared. Yes or no?
I will make a thread and aks if there are people who also did the comparison with 800 speakers.
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The biggest downside of B&W are there crossovers in general. I owned the 802N and 800S in the past. When I auditioned the 800D I stopped. Why? Because a deep and wide stage is the most stunning part in highend audio. When it is not there you miss the essential part to the absolute sound. At shows I hear it is still the same problem. The stage is not as wide and deep as could be. These days I only sell and focus on 3-diemnsional image for all my clients. Most shops still sell most of the time 2-dimensional sound, this is old fashion and less involving compared to 3-dimensional sound. I still send my clients to shops where they sell speakers like B&W to understand the difference between 3-dimensional and 2-dimensional sound. It is that simple! |
I see using crossovers which cannot make a deep and wide stage as a downside in general. It is my personal opinion. I owned and sold them for many years. It is based on facts. They still make fine speakers, but it is as it is. |
There are still many speakers and amps as well who cannot give a very deep and wide stage. Ofcource it doens't matter were it is made. Audio is all about sound quality. There are many speakers which wil not give a lot of depth and wide. Most presentations at shows are 2-dimensional. |
It is very simple; You use the same amo, pre amp, source, cables and conditioner on different speakers with the same music. So you can vompare how the stage is build. The stage with the 800D was quite small and not a lot of depth. When you use the same stuff with other speakers and the stage is superior in wide and depth you understand what you miss. I had to admit that it was a lot. So I sold the B&W. A deep and wide stage is another level in listening to the same music with a small stage. You can't go back anymore. You would be a fool. It is that simple! |
When I am at shows and I listen with my own music to the new B&W speakers I think; mannnn you don't want this!! That is why I demonstrate only 3-dimensional sound. I send people to shops where they sell B&W. That is how I use these speakers still. Only to let people understand what they will miss. This is a very simple and convincing way that 3 dimensional sound is superior to 2-dimensional sound. You have to keep things clear and simple in audio! |
You Always can compare the depth and wide of any speaker with eachother. When you do this for a living, that is a normal thing. Selling audio is Always about comparing and you choose for the one you prefer most. Yes or no? My focus is on giving people a more deep and wide stage. It is very easy to let people hear the difference in stage. And what the advantages are compared to a less deep and wide stage. There is no hocus pocus in this. The same we do with amps. When you use the same speakers, cables and source you hear the difference of an amp in sound, control, individual focus, resolution and stage depth and wide. |
B&W can give some depth, but it is not of the same level as Magico, Avalon or Monitor Audio Platinum this does. This is not subjective. This is something what is the most easiest thing to hear and understand. I sold B&W for many many years and I owned them also for a long period. Then you can compare them with many other speakers. In this profession we compare and test so many stuff. |
Many things in audio are a lot more simple and predictable when you compare all the time. |
We compare loudspeakers all the time. We Compared the B&W as well often with others. B&W also has a factory for there speakers in China. Think before you speak. It is a lot cheaper for all these brands to have a factory over there. In our country many people in audio know the differences in stage. JBL makes different level in speakers. A JBL 250 ti cannot give a deep and wide stage. Read better, I said; I did not test the horn speakers of JBL. Every person I invite overhere to compare B&W with Monitor Audio in stage. Things are exactly as I wrote them. Go to a shop and use Pass Labs amps. Compare a B&W 800 and Monitor Audio Platinum loudspeaker in wide and in depth. We do this all the time. |
Audio ia about facts. B&W makes there speakers in China. So Dave now they are crap? There are reasons why they make them over there. Respons and depth and wide is something you can easily compare. Question: Is there a test with a direct test of a B&W 800 speaker compared to a Magico, or Avalon or Monitor Audio? There is not. Why? Because they have not the gutts to test it like this. Many tests are done with only one pair. In higher price levels you seldom find tests where they compare speakers togheter. They will not take the risk. Brands often pay magazines a lot of money for advertising. I prefer direct comparison. This is what I do all the time. I just give a demo of speakers, amps, cables, conditioner, sources etc. These people have all the freedom to compare. It is my work to give them the best sound for there money. |
I only autioned the new 800 speakers at shows, often this is not the right place to Judge. These demos were not so good. The 800D ( older series) I listend with own stuff. We could compare it with other speakers. Stage comparing we do all the time. When the stage of the 800D would have been bigger I would have bought them. When you have the chanche to compare many stuff all the time you think differently about music and audio. All the good parts you hear in other systems you want it for yourself as well. There was depth, but not the level other speakers could give. Audio is about comparing the outcome of parts you test. When I am talking about a 3 dimensional stage. I talk about playing 4-5 metres behind the sepakers, but also 1.5 till 2 meters beside the speakers. That is the level you compare other speakers with. And you do it with the same stuff all the time. |
