Dgad, thank you for adding your direct experience, I think that Eidolon's owners don't feel the same, probably you have many enemies among these now... |
Thanks Rushton. Any comment from audiogoners who passed from Ascent or Radian to Eidolon ? |
Jtinn, you meant the older Radians or Ascents, I presume...
Thanks for the post. I hope to read something from an owner who passed from the older to the newer models and could add a first hand opinion. |
Thank you Flex, very interesting comments. The reason why I started this thread is simple: I own a pair of Thiel 7.2 and I just purchased a pair of Avalon Radian HC. Well, comparing the two, I noticed that the driver's speed of Radians (yes, not only the woofers, also mid and tw) is better, sound is faster and transients more clean. Thiels are vented (even if they have a passive radiator), Eidolons are vented, Radians are sealed so my question about bass speed and impact. Thanks again. |
Thanks Spencer. My feeling is different about the impact of bass in the Radians: I found the woofers really fast, dynamic and capable of move a lot of air (and I have a huge room, 40 x 30 ft)... but no, I haven't heard the Eidolons in my system yet so I can't make a direct comparison. |
Sirspeedy, couldn't agree more ! How you can see on my previous posts I have a pair of Radians HC now and I discover day by day how much faster, articulate and, YES, impactful these speakers are compared to a vented system... Surely the Ascents MkII are even better but I'm so glad now with my Radians... Thanks. |
Drubin, you can find info about Avalon story from the company site, reading the reviews of the models. The big boss at Avalon were Neil Patel but I'm not sure if something changed recently. Thanks, Luca. |
Shubertmaniac, great post, thanks ! I'm so glad that many owners prefers the discontinued Radians vs the Eidolons, my initial feeling is right ! Thanks again to all audiogoners. |
Just returned from the Italian Top Audio & Video Show, I've listen to Opus and Opus ceramic: yes, the bass is fast and really articulate... Faster than the previous Radians and Ascents ? I don't know. However I've noticed a very little difference in the sound between the ceramic drivers and the woofer... anyone thinking the same ? And the dynamics ? No match between Opus and Radians, bigger the drivers and cabinets better the dynamic range. Thanks, Luca. |
Nothing to add but now I'm powering the Radians with the Pass X600 and I couldn't be more happy ! The sound is fast fast fast, dynamic and so musical... Do not underestimate the older Avalon guys, they are still incredible great speakers, trust me. |
Sirspeedy, thanks for your 2nd post, i'm really glad with my Radians now... but it seems so difficult to explain to other audiogoners that a new project (read: Eidolon) not necessary is better than a previous one (read: Ascents or Radians). Cheers, Luca. |
I have Eidolons now and Radian HC too. Well, I can't decide if I definitely prefer the one or the other ! Call me crazy but Eidolons have better resolution, transparency and detail in the mid/high region, the bass is more extended and deep BUT the bass itself has less speed, articulation and dynamics: it seems that the ported woofers cannot match with the speed of ceramic drivers... When I listen to a well recorded drum-set with Radians the sound is tight, I can clearly distinguish the leather of drums, with Eidolons the drums sound more deep and visceral but a lot less tight and "kicking". Even worse with a well recorded double-bass.
The power in the mid/high region partially make up for this limit adding lots of energy and speed on higher notes but the result is unsatisfaying for me... Am I the only thinking that on Eidolons vs previous sealed Avalons like Radians ? I wouldn't miss the magic and energy of Eidolons in mid-hi frequency but cannot live with a slow and little muddy bass.
Waiting your opinions and advices. Thanks, Luca. |
Dear Rushton, the amps are the same: Pass X600, well know for their great control on speakers drivers, so I doubt that could be a problem due to amps. Anyway, thanks again. |
Dear Sirspeedy, good to hear from you again ! Just now I'm dealing for a pair of Ascents... I'll let you know soon. Thank you, Luca. |
