Autoformers, The Benefits in matching amp to speaker



There has been a great deal of conversation about Autotransformers in this forum. Many think they are similar to the output transformers we use on Tube Amplifiers. They are not for some very important reasons. They are not wound the same way, they have no High Voltage insulation, they are wound with heavy low resistance wire and all the winding is used all the time. In addidtion part of the signal current is direct and part is transformed. 

  • THE WINDING.  When we make a traditional output transformer we have to insulate the primary from the secondary for over 1000 volts. This insulation takes up space and winding space is most dear to the designer as we want as much copper in there as possible. We then have to section the windings and interleave them. An interleave of 5 is good and some think 7 or 9 or even 11 is better but that raises the capacitance of the transformer and is hard on the tubes at high frequencies. An autotransformer has no DC voltage in the windings and thus can be bifilar wound (taking 2 or 3 or more wires at once). This increases the coupling and extends the high frequency response by a factor of 2 or more. My ouput transformers are good to 65 KHz and the Autofomer is good to 140 KHz. 

  • THE CORE: As to the core, an EI core is preferable over a torroid as the torroid will have saturation problems if connected to an amplifier that has a DC offset. An offest as low as 20 mV can swing the core in one direction toward saturation. An EI core has a very small air gap that will allow it to ignore rather large offesets. 

  • IN THE AMPLIFIER: Here's where the difference is between a conventional output transformer and a Autoformer occurrs. This is why Wiggins at Electro Voice created the CIrclotron circuit. In a conventional tube amplifier. for most of the signal, only one half of the output transformer is active. It is very difficult to make the two halves of a push pull transformer identical above 20 KHz where the feedback really cares about phase shift. Even the taps on an Ultralinear transformer can go out of phase at high frequencies. This causes the amplifier to ring on one half of the square wave. Though not widely talked about, we who design amplifiers are very familair with this problem. Wiggins realized that if he put the transformer in a bridge circuit that the primary would act as a whole and this problem would go away. That is the essence of the WIggins Circlotron. Because he wanted to keep the ampifier efficient he did use a high ratio transformer with conventional taps. BTW, we do not put taps on an amplifier to "match" the impedance of the speaker as we know it varies. We put them on there to deliver the proper ratio of voltage and current to make the amplifier happy. You can always use a lower tap and enjoy lower distortion, better damping, lower noise and extended tube life. You also extend the class A region. The only reason to use a higher or matched tap is to get the most power out of the amplifier if you play it loud. In the RM-4 manual I suggest this strongly and have termed it "Light Loading"

Now, what is an Autoformer going to do for you? If you have an OTL amplifier you should know that the power is greatly reduced into low impedance loads. Even worse is that low impedance loads will overheat the tubes at high power levels as most of the power supply voltage is being dropped across the tube not the load. So low impedance loads are hard on the tubes and cause higher distortortion All of these ills can be solved by the use of a proper Autoformer.
  
For OTL amplifiers that have high output impedance and produce their best performance into 16-32 ohms one needs a 6 or 8 to one step down ratio. This will make the speaker and amplifier very happy and still preserve the qualities of the OTL. A 4 to 1 is not enough. This is no problem to make and I have been using mine for many years.

An Autoformer can also be used in reverse if one has a low voltage, high current amplifier like an ML-2 which is 25 watts into 8 ohms but 100 into 2. Again a 4 to one will get you 100 watts and and an 8 to one even more. Remember the impedance ratio is the turns squared. So an even a 9 to 1 impedance is only 3 to 1 turns and 1/3 of the signal is direct through the primary.

I hope this clears up the differences in these two very different types of transformers and we can stop considering them as the same. While some may consider a transformer a band-aid, I consider it a device that makes the problem go away.

Please feel free to ask your questions.
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One problem with switching amps is that the output filter is optimized for a particular resistive impedance. Unfortunately our speakers are neither resistive or constant so the fix is only nominal.
This is why I found the Belcanto 600M's the first Class-D I could listen to for a length of time. Because the speaker as I said were a two way with large benign very flat 6 or 4 ohm ribbon tweeter that went down to around 3.5khz before crossing over the the mid/bass.

Cheers George
compensating for the interacion of the switching amps output filter by modifying its drive signal while still in the digital domain.
I believe BelCanto maybe did something similar with their M600 monoblocks and modify the Hypex modules with filters in the front to aid the output filter in trying to rid the switching noise. These amps I didn’t mind listening to, but it was only when they were driving a benign nice flat impedance very expensive large ribbon tweeter, in a two way, crossed over quite low. 3.5k?

Also if you have a look at the $50k!!! Mark Levinson #53 Class-D mono blocks they attacked it at the output and from the photo series’d up many output filters judging by the amount of air core chokes in each mono, but apparently they were a bit of a failure.

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Cheers George



I have never heard ANY active xover (tube, S/S or even digital) sound better in the lower-mids/mids/highs, from >150hz up, into my ESL’s than the 18db passive xover it came with it.
(very very much like the difference in sound quality between active preamps v passive preamps).

But from <150hz down I use a 24db active analogue xover, it sounds better than the passive.

Cheers George
ramtubes
The RM-10 is perfect for the Quads. The damping is good


What is the output impedance Roger?
Have you ever toyed with the idea of a variable feedback dial, as I found it very good for dialing in the tightness for different speakers with the amps I made.
EG Linn Isobarics prefers virtually no feedback as they are a very over-damped design, and too much feedback and they had no bass!!! from  B139's!!. .

Cheers George
clio09
The main upgrade is the elimination of the solid state input (opamp)
I can’t remember as I never fiddled with mine as I soon upgraded to the two+two's, but knowing the vintage, it was probably tlo72/74 about the only thing around at the time, not a very good sounding opamp.

Cheers George
But automatic transmissions still have gears.


Yes but at least with an automatic you’ll won't get: 
" When going up a steep hill (difficult load) the car sometimes shutters, engine knocks."

Cheers George
Guess who getting off on music, to his Acoustat 3’s?

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I went through nearly all the Acoustat’s, the best for me were the 2+2’s with Kef B1814 (fs18hz) bass drivers for 80hz down in 14cu ft boxes and my MP-02 Plasmas’s from 10kHz up all passive xovers driven by my 120w water cooled pure class-a S/S beast of an amp two man struggle to pick up. 24 Hirel EB or ED 203/4’s output Devices per channel.

Cheers George
An analogy might be the transmission in a car. When going up a steep hill (difficult load) we downshift to take the load off the engine but cannot go as fast.

As to stability we note if we don't downshift the car sometimes shutters, engine knocks. That is like instability, which down shifting also cures.

A transformer is very much like a transmission in that the proper gear ratio gives the most power for the given situation and is kind to the engine.

Should have just bought an automatic car to begin with. (The right amp to do the job)

Cheers George
Roger Modjeski is offering his own ESL speaker with a dedicated, direct drive tube power amp. No ESL transformer, no power amp transformer! And no speaker cables!!

One of the nicest sounding speakers I owned, absolutely hated humid days.

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Cheers George
I inserted the DEQX between my linestage and amp. While the tonality seemed better, my system lost a unit or two of blood (metaphorically speaking), … something went missing. The DEQX twisted the signal to be phase coherent but took something away. I wound up taking the DEQX out of the signal path and decided to live with the phase issues but at least the music regained its former sparkle.
When you insert a Deqx, your going from D to A the A to D then back to D to A, and you hear the final dac which is the Deqx dac and not your pride and joy you started with, no wonder we all say somethings not right, even though it should be, TO MUCH PROCESSING!.

Cheers George 
georgehifi
I totally agree with Roger’s summation for autoformers, they are an "answer looking for a problem."


atmasphere
I’ve examined these two statements for a while and they seem to be at odds. George, I think you missed Roger’s point.


Your obviously not reading all his statements, eg: below.

ramtubes
"An Autoformer or any transformer cannot fix a difficult load and only affects stability in a poorly designed, on the edge amplifier."
While some may consider a transformer a band-aid, I consider it a device that makes the problem go away.


I totally agree with Roger’s summation for autoformers, they are an "answer looking for a problem."
A bit like having rubber roads and looking for concrete tires.

It’s better not to have the problem to start with yes?

And have the right amp/combo yes?
And if you have this correct amp/speaker combo and introduce an autoformer, the sound will take a hit for the worse.

Cheers George