please remember that all of us also exist in your shoes as well as ours. I like you hear things that later realize where not there. Have this happen to you enough times and you get sober and realize your perception is not what you think it is. That your intuition can be so wrong in audio.
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actually amir, in general, re the flow and motion of the physiology and the psychology...it is the other way around.
Discovery, over time. New things heard, in time. New understandings found, in time. New ways of thinking, in time. Revelation and realization, over time.
I'd say you are right, and that, IMO is true. but that is, generally, the lesser partner to things than new revelations are. Both in life and in audio.
If I had to out my finger on it, I'd say that your statement, contains the core of my main beef.
The linear mind. the engineering mind. the limited casting of an intellect. the safety net that people desire. The insanity of negative proofing in engineering, which originates in the aspects of mind that follow religion.
Which is originating in the part of the mind that has limited knowledge in things (slower cognition) and wants to keep the body safe and alive. Religion did not go anywhere, it became things like Dawkins (and a thousand others), and negative proofing in wanna-be science, or 'scientism'. Dogma posing as science. We call that engineering, literally. Seriously, on all fronts... and literally, by design.
Let me explain.
This was a known to be a thing, a huge central thing in fixation of the body/mind, in humans, overall. This was not the renaissance part of humanity, no, not at all. just the opposite, in fact.
In the mid-early 1700's, in Bavaria, some intellectual groups debated finding a way to make the world a better place. Secularism, as tied to the renaissance, was an established thing. The emergence of formal science, as forwarded by the given multi-faceted renaissance peoples, of the time. In this case, in Bavaria.
the idea they came up with is..that..if we have this large group of people, the masses overall, ie 70-80% of the people, who are prone to this religious belief thingiemabob, this follow and be in the crowd/herd/middle..this projection of safeing the self -by belief, as the given matter is complex intellectually....well..lets see if we can employ it. literally. Let's see if we can do something with the mundane and common aspect of people's propensity for living in dogma.
So, these renaissance people in Bavaria, came up with the rote learning/teaching method, for sciences, in some critical ways. In this.. if they could fill out the ranks of 'capable' people, then they could build an army to help build out the world with all this new science stuff.
These renaissance bavarians strated these schools of teaching rote information, and not dealing with solely searching out the heady renaissance people, alone. the uber thinkers where not the point, here. since dogmatic learning is the norm in humans, this seemed to be the way to go. They called it the Barvarian school of thought, re teaching methodology.
Books of facts to learn, books of tables, etc. Rote Teaching methodology was born in formal form.
They created a thing we eventually called engineering.
Engineering is all about facts, all about data, all about working with dogmatic data and has NOTHING to do with exploration and critical thinking. Let me stress that. Nothing to do with critical thinking, beyond following the data like it is a law, or a religion, with punishment if you do things wrong, and not according to the book. If it is not in the book, then it is not real. Just like religion, just like the dogmatic mind that has to fit into the society and crowd, just like the wiring of the mind of the masses of the peoples of the world. How that basic hard wiring of the mind comes into shape as rote learning, like a child copies the motions and expression of the adult. Zero critical thinking going on. Monkey see, monkey do.
The peak of that hard human fundamental... is the idea behind engineering. Where proper theories are called laws. Laws are for punishing people who go against the norm or religion. Laws are not for science but they ARE for groups of humans, or societies, or culture - or religion. the laws of physics is a literal, purposeful misinterpretation of theories of science. theories. no laws.
Science does not exist, at all, in the realm of negative proofing. But engineering is required to have negative proofing and laws, so people who are rote learners and engineers, can build things even if they don't really know creative renaissance scientific endeavor, at all.
Engineering is not science. Specifically, it is not science. It is religion, purposely framed and built. And it purposely exists in the realm of negative proofing so it can fit larger number of minds that exist out there, and help make all those dogmatic human minds ot there more fruitful and useful to themselves and all of us.
This is what the renaissance minds of the early 1720's to 1750's of Bavaria began to sculpt into shape. It is why the engineering schools or technical schools of Germany remain as the finest polytechnic institutes in the world today.
So, when ASR and the people in it, begin to EXPLORE and proffer things, to try to proof them out they are REQUIRED to turn all scientific 'laws' on their heads and RETURN THEM to their core and proper origin, which is as theories.
As theories are what scientists use, what science uses. Science and physics have NO laws, only theories, as theories can change or be modified and that is how humanity moves forward.
Engineers are purposely allowed to think of physics as laws, as that is all that this given mindset and mental frame can handle. It's how it works. It is allowed as it may come naturally to that person in engineering schools. if it (the given teaching) has to do with renaissance theorizing.. this would cause confusion in such minds.. and less people graduate and less people help the world be a better place.
But make no mistake, the dogmatic mind of most people was leveraged here, big time.
It's so bad that even physicists refer to it as the laws of physics, when hey know better and where taught better if they can bother to recall what they were TAUGHT.
What I mean here, is that I went to the local university and asked the heads of all the departments in physics. They each said that none of them ever teach that physics has laws, in permanence. but, it is referred to as laws as that is 'the norm'.
That human norm of dogmatic minds, it's impossible to escape, even our minds go there and cannot escape it -is the point. Or minds always fall back into expression via the colored glasses vehicle called homo sapiens.
So, when you sit here, and negative proof in that little bit I quoted, THAT is a huge error on the fundamental level and it CANNOT stand, period. Engineering and scientism/dogmatism cannot ever be allowed to speak for exploration in science.
Scientists are required to slap that down, if it tries to arise. Where engineering gets too big for it's britches.
Most won't as the masses can be dangerous, or manipulated, even. Just like happens with religion, politics and other ares of human life.
Science says that 'observation is king', where engineering says 'the laws of physics are king'. One can move us forward, one can make things in this world. Maybe one has no importance that is greater than the other, they both being parts of the modern structure of life, if you will.
all that be as it may, dogmatism, scientism, laws of physics, and engineering have to be slapped down, when they try and make life circular and limited in it's future endeavors.