@laoman
Amir does not look at build quality in terms of longevity.
Do you think he reads this forum? You might find a more appropriate audience at ASR for your concerns and suggestions about their policies.
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Your post begs the question, why do you give a flying f$@* about what is going on on some audio site???? I would hope you have more important things to worry about.
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@mattw73
Bravo! Excellent post.
I had to laugh at the irony of the title of this thread. Anyone that spends any time at all at ASR would know that ASR has nothing to say about the "sound" of equipment- they are all about objective performance.
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@djones51
Indeed... High fidelty is signal in x gain = signal out. "Sound" is what happens between one's ears and brain. We each have our own interpretation of our perceptions. It's idiocy to argue about how things sound, which whatever sounds better, etc., all of which are based on our own, personal perceptions. There are no "right" opinions, only different. It literally is "all in one's head"...The only basis on which one can logically, rationally, universally, compare audio components is on the basis of their subjective performance, subject to the simple equation above, yet think about the wasted time and energy devoted to arguing opinion on this and other audio boards...it's insane. If you don't care how well your audio components perform objectively and want to use solely your own ears to make your decisions, great! Have at it! If you find value in knowing your components are as accurate as possible to the recording, great! Have at it! If you want to use the info from measurements as an aid in selecting components and then use your ears as the final arbiter, great! Have at it! Whatever makes you happy, have at it! We should all have the freedom to choose without the incessant and idiotic arguing.
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@juanmanuelfangioii
We have been saying this all along
Not sure who the "we" you refer to is comprised of but from the title of this thread and the numerous nutty replies it has generated, as well as the incessant bickering on this site over matters of taste, it is clear your "we" is in the distinct minority.
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I don't intend to view ASR any longer as the members are generally mean, nasty and stupid/uneducated.
I find that description applicable to plenty of other forums as well. If you even hint at how measurements can serve a useful purpose on this site, you will get the same mean, nasty, uneducated response.
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@laoman
However anyone who is thinking about purchasing equipment based on an ASR recommendation should really beware.
It should go without saying that buying any audio equipment based on any third party recommendation, without first listening in one's room with one's equipment is fraught with problems and a crap shoot.
At least with ASR's objective review, you are shown if the item is properly engineered and constructed, performs as it should, and meets the claims of the manufacturer. I have seen time and time again reviews of products on ASR that fail at these basic fundamentals. In that regard, it serves a useful and legitimate purpose.
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A $21,000 system can sound as good as a $165,000 system.
That's not the same as saying that any $21,000 system sounds as good as a $165,000 system.
A $200 system might sounds as good or better to someone as a $200,000 system. There is no accounting for taste. That's why comments like this:
Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
Are idiotic.
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@thyname
Basically everyone is simply hallucinating, whenever they share any experiences, without “proof”, or any measurements to back up their experiences.
I don't think they believe people's experiences are hallucinations. It seems pretty clear to me that they believe there is no place for subjective opinion when evaluating equipment on an objective basis as it is factually empty on an individual basis. One can never reach a logical, rational, supportable conclusion via 3rd party opinion. If one wants to share personal opinion, that is not the site for it.
There is perhaps something to be said for sticking to objectivity- here, in this very thread for example, you can see people called idiots, deaf, and liars simply because they have expressed a subjective opinion that that the op disagreed with, based on his own subjective opinion. Ironic, isn't it?
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@jtgofish
I don't believe ASR is under the jurisdiction of the Australian government.
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@viethluu
Amir does get paid by a lot of Chinese Fi company to promote their perfectly measure product ( Topping, SMSL …). There is no coincidence that Amir always talks highly about these Chi Fi.
If they measure perfectly, why wouldn't he "talk highly" about them???
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@whipsaw
I would have said this thread but a moderator removed most of the nasty attacks, name calling, and profanity:
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@laoman
If they measure perfectly, why wouldn't he "talk highly" about them???
Perhaps because some of them sound like shite?
And there is the perfect example of the problem...people think their subjective opinions are fact. There are fans and detractors for most of the amps on the market. Opinions don't really mean much of anything in reality.
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