Audio Research Ref. 3, Ref. 5, or the Ref. 5se.

 Conventional wisdom, is that the Ref 5, is'nt a great advance on the 3, but the 5SE was a big step up. The logic of that is, if the 5SE is to expensive, which it would be for me, then choose the Ref  3. I have to say, I have heard the 3 and 5 SE, extensively, but not the 5.

 The alternative would be the LS27, which I have heard against the 3 and I think, is better than the it. That can be bought second hand at a comparable price to the 3, I believe.

  Having said all that, I bought the Modwright 36.5, which I consider very well made and better sounding than the Ref 3, at a cheaper price.

 Returning to the Ref 5, I personally can not understand, why a large reputable company like ARC, keeps producing Pre and Power amps, which have to improved by an SE upgrade a short time afterwards. I understand to an extent, with my Ref 75 Power amp, where the change was to accommodate the better KT150 tube. This doesn't seem to apply to the Ref 5. A cynic would say, this is to make more money on upgrading.

 I keep thinking, yes, ARC make great Amps, but the Pre's  seem expensive compared with other brands. I own the ARC Ref 75SE Power amp and although it is expensive, it seems great value for what it does. The Reference 5SE or 5 are well north of $10000 and the 6 is I believe, about $16000.

 I was planning on the Ref 3, as an ARC Pre I could afford second hand, but I compared it with a Modwright 36.5 and I preferred the Modwright by a small margin, but a big cost saving. That is as an Ex dem Modwright against a second hand Ref 3.