Naysayers unite…
My favorite is the
“I don’t need to try jumping off a skyscraper to know the outcome”
Such a dumb argument. And so arrogant at the same time. This basic knowledge justifies all your beliefs. Right…
Do we know all there is to know about electricity? Do you know all there is to know about electricity? Is there a possibility that we still have a lot to learn? Is there a possibility that you have something to learn about electricity? Is there a possibility that we might not know all there is to measure? Is there a possibility that you might know all there is to measure?
But you folks know all there is to know, right?
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@jpwarren58
You do know, that depending on how a cable was designed, how the shielding was implemented and how it is connected to ground makes a difference, right?
That why many cables have arrows, so the shield ground is on the right end of the signal…
Pretty basic…
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@djones51
Jumping off a building and hitting the ground is more akin to putting a battery into a flashlight and turning it on than the intricacies of reproduced sound.
An audio system in its complete form is a bit more complex than a flashlight.
But you keep on thinking you know all you need to know. A closed mind is a thing behold. It is your right to stay sheltered from creative experiences and expanding your foundation of knowledge.
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@jpwarren58
Just pointing out to you that the pointer has a point. Do you need them to tell you why they put a 0.02uf coupling cap between the driver and output tubes? No, likely not. You were commenting on arrows being something ludicrous. I’m pointing out that they are not always so.
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@djones51
You do realize that many of the greatest scientific minds in human history were open minded creative thinkers right?
But you’re beyond that loosely goosey flakey stuff.
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@cakyol
Well, with that background, you should have been educated in having an open mind. And yeah yeah, that’s great you have that as a background. Nowhere in your resume do you mention listening. That’s what we do, we listen to music. We don’t measure it with a slide rule. And that’s great that you’ve built gear, it’s important to get inside the machines that give us such joy. So, when you built this gear, did you try different quality components in different parts of the circuitry? To see what, if any difference there was in sonic presentation? Did you participate in open minded experimentation and exploration , or was it built like a Lego kit?
Now, how many of the tweaks or modifications that you take such pleasure in dumping on, have you tried?
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@cakyol
Aww. Thanks! That’s very kind of you to offer. Much appreciated. But I will respectfully pass. Given the attitudes you present, I suspect any referrals you my have would be a waste of time. I would be asking for a refund if I were you as your psychiatrist has clearly not been helping you much.
I wonder, have you ever built any audio gear? I have, a lot of it. And I take issue when people tell me what I can and can not hear. I have a friend, who also builds and modifies gear. He will make an adjustment and then will present the changes to me, every time,it’s a blind test. And yes, every time, I can identify which piece has had the change made. And I’m not just talking about a value of a capacitor for instance, but rather two different brands of capacitors of the exact same value placed in the crossovers of two identical speakers. Yup. 100% of the time I’m able to spot the difference and identify which speaker has been changed. Now, how would I know that if I can’t see what has been done inside if not for the fact I can hear it?
Riddle me that genius…
Perhaps, you should spend some time and learn how to listen to the sound presented by a piece of gear.
I reserve judgement on something until I’ve heard it. I gather you approach things with a closed mind and prefer to jump to conclusions about what works and what doesn’t?
So arrogant to presume what someone else’s skill set is.
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@cakyol
You are insufferable. At what point did you stop being curious? At what point did you acquire enough (or any) knowledge and settle? And you know what settlement is, right? The garbage that falls to the bottom. At what point were you anointed the great savior? And at what point are you going to stop clinging to your own limitations and try so desperately to try to convince others to stop seeking knowledge and in doing so, surpass yours?
You didn’t answer my question. Did you build your gear like Lego, or did you listen, adjust and modify? We’re you open minded and willing to try and fail, or were you only capable of following the map? You seem like a map kind of guy.
Thank goodness you are gracing us, albeit reluctantly according to you, with your great presence here on the snake oil forum. Your relentless effort to free us all from our misguided notions of what does and does not sound good has not gone unnoticed. You have freed us from the chains that bind, you job is done and you may return to whatever the place is you came from…
In the meantime, stop telling me what I am or am not capable of hearing and why, or why not, I am hearing it. I will try things for myself and reserve judgement as to its effectiveness based on my findings. And you, can cling to your preconceived notions about what may or may not work and remain at your limits be they self imposed or perhaps the limits nature provided you.
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@mijostyn
Aren’t you late for that book burning, would hate for you to miss it…
How about this, how about you provide us with a complete thesis, using your own words - no copy and paste allowed - on the finer and more detailed points on neuroscience, sensory input and the interactions that occur between the upper, mid and reptilian parts of our brains. I would love to see what you actually know, and see if you might be able to help me remember bits I may have forgotten. Please help to edjumacate us, oh wise one… And while you’re at it, how about supplying a list of tweaks that are not snake oil as well as a list of those that are. Oh, and outline what are items you have actually listened to, and what you are mearly speculating on, arriving at preconceived notions based on your obvious vast history and knowledge.
The thing about being closed minded, is it maintains a status quo. And a status quo is safe. Safe, is a place where people hide. Safe, is a place where they don’t need to let other beliefs or others in. There is no need for an open mind in this safe place, indeed an open mind threatens the very foundation of the safe place. Those who stick to safe have rarely, if ever, stepped outside of their own postal or zip code. Unless of course, to attend a book burning.
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@mijostyn
Trial and error baby. Trial and error.
Last I checked, that is the very foundation of learning. Open minded and creative approach to problem solving. Very important personality trait which the bulk of those who have made relevant scientific discoveries possess.
Surgeon friend of mine pointed something out to me. The person who graduates at the bottom of their class in med school is also called doctor.
Here’s a really difficult challenge, run a mono signal into your system. Put the speakers side by each. L/R the signal. Listen for the differences. I know, likely not within the realm of your creative abilities or willingness to try. So much work to do.
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@nicktheknife
My approach is remarkably straight forward. I listen. If something bothers me with how it presents sonically, I work to lessen it. If I find something is missing, I work to bring it forward. Measurements can be of great help to find the source of the problem. Much like food, we season sound to taste. There is no universal perfect seasoning of food as we all have different likes and dislikes. Same holds true for sound.
Experimentation, trial and error and of course, keeping an open mind when making changes. We listen and hear differently. Few and far between are those who have ruler flat hearing, and I certainly do not. Why then do I care if my speakers present as ruler flat to a machine? I do not listen with a microphone and a computer. My ears are not slide rules.
The speakers I am currently in the middle adjusting using a baffle step compensation are getting closer to presenting well. Make a small shift in the values of the components, A/B the two speakers and listen for the differences. Choose the one that sounds better to me, then live with it for a while. Then do it again after some time has passed. Reevaluate. Then I compare with my reference speakers to see how successful, or not, the experiment has been.
This is a process that exists separate and apart from sitting and enjoying the music. It is very possible for both these pleasures to exist and have the system serve as a meditative reprieve from the world and a technical wonder that can be tinkered with.
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There are a lot of phonies here, that is for sure. Fauci, ain’t one of them
Would appear that the naysayers are engaged in hypocrisy. A lot of that floating about in the world lately… They only think their systems sound good because they have a chart in front of them telling them so. That chart predisposes them to accept what they are hearing as being the ultimate sonic presentation. As such, they refuse to accept anything else as good.
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