Attention Horn Owners

Sns, I know they are sweet. Might try to take the jump up the signature se, or whichever one Vu suggested to me in the past as the next logical move up. I might just have to drive to Virginia and do some listening. The Soros amp is integrated, so helps my space issue that’s coming with the move. Could be a perfect, expensive fix! Lol

That might be ear fatiguing! Lol

Just be careful what you offer. A trombone also can infer another item! Lol

Thanks sns. Perhaps it might be easier and/or cheaper just to try a sub. I’m trying to downsize but selling and buying without listening, although I could fly to Tennessee, is appealing. 

Not appealing 

Thanks Kennyc. I’d love to get a listen from somewhere up here on Long Island.

Thanks Whart. A trip into the city is easy enough. Great idea. Not set on horns but want efficient speakers with substantial bass. 

Thanks for the reminder. I read that years ago and forgot. Well I need to hear the Volti horns with a 15 inch driver. My brain says it has to have more impact. Science may say otherwise!

Why buy one when you can get 2 at twice the price! 

Thanks guys. I will check them out. And also, thank you very much for to listening offer. My head is spinning right now with indecision regarding selling everything or tweeking. 

Thanks. I hope I get to hear them at some point. Not sure if there are any shows in the Northeast. If and when my gear sells, necessity will push me to make some decisions. 

Dseltz, how do you run 2 subs off of the Motherlode? What jacks do you use?

Thanks so much Elliott and bugredmachine for the invites. When the gear gets sold off, I might just start making some trips. Greatly appreciated. 

bb. I do love the sound. Part of me just wants to try adding a sub and see what happens. May be a simple fix. I just have so many boxes and wires now. And if it works, I know I will want another!

Atmasphere. I have an Aric Audio Custom 300b PSET and Aric Audio Super 6sn7 preamp. 

But not when you have to move into a smaller space! Lol

Thanks Joey. I have the same fear. There’s so much to like about the AN’s. After deliberating for the past few days, I think trying to integrate a sub would be the most prudent choice. If it adds just a little oomph that I’m looking for, it would be a tremendous win. Fingers crossed. Now the endless debate about subs or no subs and which brand. Lol

Bgross, funny that you should say that. Was just on the phone with Vu from Deja Vu. He had some suggestions for me to look into and think about. 
You are not the first to say that regarding subs and AN speakers. It’s why I’ve shied away from buying Rel’s. $$

I had an el34, push pull amp that really rocked. I don’t think it’s the amp but my choice of 300b set amp. The sound is otherworldly on some tracts. It’s just not versatile enough for me with heavy metal or 80’s rock sometimes. It’s a me problem for sure. 

Cool dseltz. I looked into the SVS and the adapter “issue” gave me pause. Glad to hear you’re impressed with the sound. 
I did look heavily into the Atmasphere a year or so ago. I really like and respect Ralph. Will they have punch using a 90db speaker? How are they with bass?

They do look cool. 90db sensitivity. Made in the 80’s. Everything was good in the 80’s! 

Thank you Ralph. I thought I was crazy. Having had an AB push pull prior to this and feeling the grunt a bit more, I felt like I might be missing something. On songs with a lot of bss, Sade Ordinary Love for example, the bass is great. It really just disappears with some songs and particularly any 80’s rock unless it’s cranked. Now I’m not blaming anyone but myself or saying AN or Arics gear isn’t great, because it is. I’ve learned that I’m not a low powered set amp guy. I will probably miss that awesome sound and presentation when I move to whatever’s next, but hopefully I can find a happy medium. 

So I’ve heard ditusa. I’ve read some AN people stating they are probably closer to 92-91db. Definitely on the border for low powered amps in a large room like mine. 

Thanks Kenny. Might change amps first and see how speakers perform then. If I feel unsatisfied, I may go horn route. Too many variables. So, for the time being, probably sub or subs. Calling Rythmik tomorrow. They appear to have a delay of only 3 milliseconds. Fastest I’ve seen yet. I hope that equates to easier integration. 

Yep. They are good party speakers for big rooms and young ears. I enjoy my buddies when I’m in the next room but not in front of. 

Sns, I use 4 Western Electric, Telefunken as my 6v6 and 2 6sn7 Raytheon’s as the I put tubes(supposed to be bass heavy). In the preamp I use 2 Raytheon and 2 RCA’s. I really love the sound of this particular set up. I’ve tube rolled a bit and found this arrangement quite nice. 

Larry. My first tube amp from Vu was a Synthesis push pull el84 amp. It had that punch for sure. I matched it with Zu Soul Supreme speakers and had extreme ear fatigue really quickly. Headache would last hours. I tried all sorts of treatments around the room. In my rush to find a fix, I sold the Zu’s and decided to sell the amp as well. The amp had to be biased by hand, by going in with a screw driver next to that power storing transformer! It also had a built in dac. At the time, I wanted to play around with various sounding dacs and find one that really was my sound. So off it went. That Synthesis a-40 gets great reviews but same situation. 
So, depending on trade in or personal sale, I may try the Soro se signature or scrap tubes and try a Pass Labs int-60. Both are 1 box solutions. 

Btw sns, I might be leaning towards the Kef kc-92. I’d like to start with one sub and the dual opposed provides a bit more. More research before I pull the trigger though. I’m an impulsive person when it comes to these things but amp sale or trade in forces me to slow down. That process will dictate the direction I head I suppose. 

What’s weird is checking the frequency response of the all Zu’s, they have a spike at both the 2 and 5khz. This is total ear fatigue area. Not sure why any speaker designs it this way. From my very limited understanding, it’s not necessarily the curve but spikes in that region that humans are susceptible to ear fatigue. Please don’t quote me though. I did read up on it when I was suffering but that was awhile back. 

Thanks Mapman. I’m looking at the Kef kc-92. Might just be the easiest. Only drawback, I don’t have an input on the amp. So, I will run speaker level connection. Means I can control how high I want the sub to go but no cutoff level for speakers. So down low they will both be playing in that range. Not optimal

Hey Sounds. I’ve read up on Devore a lot. I think they have a similar design with the ported bass. I’m not looking to change any sound from the AN’s. They’re awesome. Just want to add bass. 

I just watched a review and he’s an av guy. Ran some measurements and found a 12 millisecond delay, which apparently is quite significant. That worries me since I have to run the sub simultaneously with the speakers. Might not sync well. I’m going to try to find the signal delay times with various subs I’m looking at. Could be what makes one mesh and the other not. Not sure I know enough but this was quite an informative video. The search continues…..

Thank you Glen. One of my amp options is a Pass Labs for sale in that area. Things might be getting interesting!

Thank you lab pro. I do have all my equipment, except for the amp, plugged into emi/rfi devices. I was told the amp is better right into the wall socket. 

Thank you sounds real audio. Absolutely will have to listen for awhile and probably many speakers. I had B&W’s for 23 years, AR’s for 5 or so, then Zu for 15 minutes and now Audio Note. Just starting to figure out what sound I really like. There’s a gentleman near me that has Volti and I reached out to him. Hopefully I will get a listen. I will go from there. 

I will Charles. I might get a local listen soon. Member reached out. If I like the sound, I will hop on the bike and make a trip to Tennessee. 

Thanks guys. The gentleman reached out and I will have a listen on Wednesday. So, no decisions with subs or speakers until then. I get to step back and reset. By this coming Thursday I will have a new perspective, whatever that may be. 

Sns, I will keep the amp and pre. Instead of doing my usual sell everything and start again routine. I do love the sound of the 300b set amp. Who knows, perhaps my bass issue can be resolved another way. This is my first foray into the set amp world so I don’t know what characteristics are attributable to which device. Caution, thought and slow action is probably prudent. I will listen to various speakers going through similar types of amps and see if I can achieve what I want without selling everything. 

Not sure Charles. They may be Khorns, which I’m assuming are Klipsch. Greg said that they have Volti something or others in them. Since I’ve never heard horn speakers before, I thought it might be a good place to start. I can listen to horns and pick his brain and ears as well. 

Thank you mdalton. I sort of assumed the Devore, based on a similar design would have similar bass as the Audio Notes. Would you say you can feel the bass with Devores?

As far as horns go, I may get a listen and not like them. If I do, NYC is a quick train ride away. I will look on the website and perhaps go in for some auditioning. I appreciate the tips!

Was just thinking of that yesterday as I took my morning walk. Such a shame audiophile equipment frowns upon tone controls. My right ear doesn’t hear as well and I would love to just move a balance knob a hair. Or turn down the treble a bit on a bad recording etc…Anyway they are nice from the videos I’ve seen and the few reviews I’ve read. Professional level gear for sure. A shame not very popular here and none around. 

I remember my old AR 10’s had an increase and decrease switch for each high, medium and low drivers. Was a cool feature. I remember having to adjust them when I moved and had hard wood floors vs carpeting. 

Perhaps I can get the landlord to help me move these into my apartment!