"I was in sales (1971/1972). Made good money...understood it, understand it....hated it!"
LOL...One whole year in sales, ey?! Yeah that sounds about right. And you say you hated it?!! Ok, so that all equates to "YOUR DEFINITELY NOT A SALES GUY!!!" I totaly understand.
Anyway, hope you find a good balance of stuff for the Good Doc.
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putting a system together for your wifes Doctor? Why? I wouldn't unless she was paying me, personally!
But still, in the fairness to the question, my technical answer is that there's not enough variables and system/room specifics from you here to accurately suggest equipment!!!!
Medium sized basement?--What specific size and ceiling height? How many seats in the setup? How far sitting from screen? What's the lifestyle here?--music and movies both, or just movies? Acoustic treatments in the room? Bare walls? Moving around the house/room listening to music? Listening preferences?
One thing I'd not recommend is ANY Onkyo receiver, pesonally! So many other better receicer option,IMO-if you have to go receiver, at least. Harmon Kardon, Denon, Arcam, upper tier Yamaha's, Outlaw.-yada, yada
Anywhoz, I'd like to know more about the room, setup, and lifestyle, personally |
"She is already happy about the price,..." (Sogood51)
Eronious!!!! She's a Doctor!!!!! Charge here triple the price, and charge here for conslting!!!!!!!
Tell here she'll not get anything good for under $20k!!
If you do it right, She'll appreciate
telling here friends how much she paid for this great system, and how it's the best money can buy, and so forth!
Ya gotta think big here man! UPSELL THE BEJESUS OUT OF HERE! |
Why isn't selling your wife's Doc a 3-4x's more expensive system a good deal? Aren't there any deals to be had for $20k systems? I'm sure I could find one or two for millionare's.
Good Choices?
Ok here's where novices simply either ignore or don't understand all the relative variables pertinent in a setup, as well as the acoustics, and think that what"they think is good gear" is simply blanketly going to be a greater choice for anyone,regarless. Well so if they have a low ceiling in the basement, and/or sit relatively farther back from the speakers/screen, are then those NHT's still a good choice? I THINK NOT!!!!! You'll then be hearing too much reflected sound off the celing from the tweeter and midrange units, mixing with the direct signal from the speakers, and SMEARING THE IMAGING, DETAIL, SOUNDSTAGE, AND DYNAMICS!!! Basically, a softening your presentation, diffusing the soundstage upfront, and making for lower fidelity all around! Basically, in this scenario, those speakers would not be a good choice, at that point! So, it depends on what's going on in the room.
Remember, acoustics, system setup and engineering, and tweaking of a system, are EASILY 50% or more of the performance of the sound system!!!-and often times, more!
Another beef I have with this system recommendation is the relatively lowish power capability (receivers are already limited in current delivery) to drive such low sensitivity speakers (86db for 3's and, what, 85db for the 2's?!) For those speakers I'd want a minim of 200 watts of high current separates power amp to make em work even adequate! Infact, any 92db Klipsch speaker require only 25% of the relative power!!!! Which makes other more sensitive speaker designs much more dynamically nimble, likely dynamic, and responsive-especially at lower volume levels.
And yes, I wouldn't match an already thin sounding receiver with such reveiling and neutral sounding of a speaker as those Classic 3's. But that's my preference.
Also, 25" stands? What's the rest of the setup like? The screen placement? How high is the ceiling? (you may or may not end up with better sound placing the speakers higher, but depends. If lower ceiling (8ft), then 25" should work fine.
Still, in a nice setup, I would consider placing speakers on wall mounts, to clean up the look, and enlist some DSP or EQ correction. Another thought--at which point you could get rid of stands. Also, speakers on stands, in a room, looks very "gear'ish" or "hi-fi'ish"? So is a WOMAN going to be happy with that look? Likely not. So consider.
Also, Oppo DVD player? You're selling a Doctor older technology? Why not sell here a $299 (retail) HDDVD player that upscales DVD's as well?! I mean, for a tiny bit more money, she can take advantage of newer, better technology.
It's a thought.
But again, what's the system going to be used for? Music and movies? Only movies? Multiple seating? (how many?) Listening to music while moving around the room/house?
Lot's to consider TO DO IT RIGHT! Well meaning considerations for otherwise decent gear might just not be the best selection for ALL scenarios in my experiences |
"The good Doctor: I see no reason to rob her pocket book,"
Lol! "Robing her pocket book?" Well Sogood51, DO NOT go into sales, whatever you do! You'll have to forgive me, as that comment cracks me up! I'm sure there's an "issue" with you in there somewhere. It's all good though...
One of the first rules of sales is "never spend other peoples money for them!!!" But, if you have issue with "the Good Doc" budget ,and feel you're saving her wallet from the audio-burglers, well than that's noble. (Note to self: "all doctors, and other rich people, should be saved from high priced audio/video!!!...lol-I'm just teasing)
Anywhooz, as for the Onkyo, I must admit I've not heard their highest-end models as of late. Sure hope they sound WAY BETTER than their past models, and entry pieces. Cause EVERYONE I know in the audiobusiness who's sold em over the years, including myself (all discerning audiophiles) EASILY dislike the Onky-donky's! The HK's ALWAYS beat up on em sonically. Infact, I just heard a demo of an older model Onkyo the other day at HSU Research's demo room, AND BELIEVE ME, IT SUCKED SONICALLY! Anyway, I personally reinforced what I've heard from the Onkyo's in the past. So, can't comment on the Flagship pieces. Dunno. Hope it's good.
Anywhooz, you didn't mention the ceiling height? At 17 feet back (that's a long way), with a 9' celing or lower, you'll most definitely have problems acoustically (unless you get acoustic treatments up there, coffering, etc) with the sound with those speakers, YOU CAN COUNT ON IT! I'd go with Dappolito's, Horns, Dipolars or something that will focus the sound more, and limit floor to ceiling reflections!! (Even THX designs). Otherwise, SMEARED SONIC NIGHTMARE!!!!
Good luck |
System picked out...system purchased...system installed...
= no more need for this thread! |
Um, ok. What's left to discuss for him? He already purchased the system, and installed it! What else is there to talk about? He's not changing anything, the Doc likes it, and obviously he's happy. So shall we talk about other options that he's not going to consider or utilize? Other equipment he could have used? Well that could go a million different "POINTLESS" directions. So, what's the next topic here? |
Well I must say, based on the texture of this thread, initially, It was presumed on my part that this gentleman was asking for feedback on a system he was "PLANNING" on purchasing for someone. As it turns out, he had already sold someone on the system, and it was already A DONE DEAL! So, I appologize, but I felt a bit decieved with the agenda that was pressented.-I wanted to help, and offer suggestion, and it wasn't really needed!!!
Oh well. Engergy suck out!.....ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhp! |
You know, now that I think about it - looking at your choices, I think you might consider some B&W 602's all around, a Velodyne sub, a good Blueray/HD dvd combi player, and a good Denon Receiver. I think the Doc would go for this line of gear...
...OH WAIT! MEVER MIND - YOU ALREADY BOUGHT EVERYTHING!!- Too late - My Bad - I don't know what I was thinking! So, Scratch all that.... |
Um, I wasn't makikng any suggestions! I was being feceicious(not sure how to spell that) Infact, I likely wouldn't recommend what I said, blanketly. I was just throwing stuff out there as "fill". Like I said, we're already on to the next project. Any equipment suggestions/feedback (like you said, that's all you were after) are irrelevent at this point. |
looks like we finally killed this sucker...RIP!! |
Yep, great job Dave. I'm sure she's plenty happy with the system, and with your friendship. Let's indeed DO get here posting on the site, so we can see some pics and such, and maybe some insight from the good doc on what it sounds like, looks like, and such. Also, perhaps she can comment on the overall tonality of the system, the smoohtness of timber, the bass response, and so forth. That would be nice, indeed.
Hey Dave? What kinda movies does the Doc like? You don't happen to spend too much time over there do ya? That would be nice if you could share a movie experience with us- at the Doc's house for movie night, that is- so as to give a run down on how you feel everythings working in her system. I'm sure others here would agree.
Oh, yes, also does the Doc plan any future upgrades to HD? or a 1.3 system in the future? Just curious. Perhaps we can have her on to share her thoughts on the subject, ey?
That would be nice.
You know so much has yet to be written on the subject of "Audiophiles, and the medical profession", that I feel it would be nice to also post this thread on other high profile audio/video/ht websites, as well. Perhaps AVS and hometheaterspot would be a good extension thread site(s), and maybe we could get some more interest in the thread?! Maybe even see if we could stimulate a "shoot-out" of sorts with some Dentist's and Surgeon's systems? Whaddaya think?!
Ya know, I was watching a program the other night on the medical profession, and new testing equipment. I think this would be a timely posting, don't you?
Oh, another tought- have you considered acoustic treatment for the doc's system yet? I forgot. That might be another thread in itself here. I think we should not forget that one, yes? Cause I'm sure she'll need it in that basement place. Maybe even an HVAC "sticky thread" on Air conditioning basement systems for entry level systems or whatever. Hummmmm so much to consider here...
Well, we could go over other choices for speaker systems and equipment "swapouts", should budgets "go up" for the Doc.
Any suggestions on what equipment someone else might have used for their system in the basement, with maybe, say, double the budget? How about.... |
Commmmmmmon folks! Let's keep this thread going! It's so much fun. Really!
Can't we think of other options that might have been used here? More are coming to my mind every day - which is good. Cause there's not much there usually.
anyone else care to pipe in here and share some alternatives we might talk the Doc into? Maybe she'll ditch what she has and start over, yes? |
Well, looks like I'm the only one still interested in this thread. I was hoping we could get the doc to throw out all here new audio equipment, and maybe try some some other things instead. Guess that's not going to happen, as everyones given up on the ideas here. What's up with that? Just don't get it. |
yes, he did. Sorry to say, I don't think he'll be upgrading. I think the Doc is set with here audio perfection...
guess I'll have to get a life now. |
