Loomis,
Another good thought from you (not unusual) for this thread: Albums that are often relegated to the bottom of that artist's catalog, but perhaps shouldn't be. "Red Ledge" is a good example. "War Babies" is another Hall & Oates record that qualifies IMO.
They were just starting to really break through and tho I think War Babies charted, it was so radically different sounding than their first two (excellent) records that I'm sure it chased lots of potential fans away. Still love it, tho. It may be their least commercial sounding record, but I also think it's their most adventurous. |
thanks guys. i was never a huge h&o fan, mainly because of o's mustache, but the hall projects "sacred songs" and "exposure" (both with fripp) were pretty great--weirder and more exploratory than you would think. i'll toss out two more undeservedly bottom of the catalog disk, then get back to drinking myself insensible: elliott easton, change no change--this was the solo turn by the cars' lefthanded guitarist. it seemed to have been virtually unheard (+ not avialable on spotify), and it got an oddly negative review on allmusic, who hate his singing, but i think it's a great record--the songs were cowritten with the great jules shear and are hooky as hell townsend/lane, rough mix--no disrespect to the who, but their bombast and operatic seriousness can get fatiguing if you're in the wrong mood + i always preferred townsend's vocals to daltrey's. this one is a much looser, folksier affair than the who or the faces, and sounds fresh 40 years after its release. for some odd reason, "keep me turning" always brings me to tears.
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Hard to keep up with all the good recommendations Loomis spins off. Have War Babies playing now, Marty. Me personally - I prefer their early/'70s stuff (Whole Oats is a good 'un too). Less enthralled with their '80s output when they found their hit making formula....still some good stuff there too if you listen past the overexposed radio hits. |
I love Gentle Giant and Giant for a Day I really enjoy listening to and In'terview is cool to.
Bardo Pond, wow that brings some cloudy memories back,haven't thought about them in awhile. Thanks for reminder I need to partake of some of that more often.
Ry Cooder-Showtime, I wish I could have been there. |
"the who---their bombast and operatic and operatic seriousness can get fatiguing". Ain’t it the truth! That trait spoiled The Who for me when it appeared in the "Won’t Get Fooled Again" era, though "Tommy" hinted at it. Townshend’s writing became more deliberate and contrived (though Tommy really started it, his pre-Tommy writing being very different), and he started relying on that damn synthesizer, something I found glaringly out-of-place in The Who. And Daltry started holding his notes far too long, to the point of his voice becoming hoary (it had merely been the group’s weak point, but was now actually a disqualifier for top-tier Rock Band status imo). And that "Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhh!" in "WGFA" is just so corny. And, as LJ said, bombastic. To me The Who’s forte was the 2-1/2---3 minute Power Pop song, crisp teenage anthems. Moon’s drumming also took a turn for the worse after Tommy---sluggish, with his snare 2/4 backbeat at the back end of the pocket rather than at the front where it had been, following the band’s pulse rather than leading it, as it had been up to Tommy (in Tommy it is right about in the pocket’s center, creating a deep groove they hadn’t before had). And his fills, rather than the brief mostly-snare drum flourishes of his earlier playing, became overly-long, pointless tom-tom plod-fests. I saw them live on the ’68 "A Quick One" tour, and he and they were bursting with kinetic energy. Then the ’69 "Tommy" tour, where it was still in evidence, but starting to slip away. By the time of "WGFA" it was gone. It sounded like they were swinging for the bleachers, trying too hard. But of course I was in the minority with that opinion, as they were gaining in popularity, not declining. As with most artists/groups/bands, I find their early work far superior to their later. |
Ghost,
I generally agree re: early Hall & Oates representing the band's peak (the track Sara Smile, specifically). However, Daryl Hall may be my favorite r'n'r singer, ever. That guy can sing the phonebook, IMO.
The thing about War Babies is that it's just so far from either of the H&O sweet spots (blue eyed soul and straight pop), yet I still find it weirdly compelling. It doesn't hurt that Utopia is backing them and that Todd Rundgren simply shreds on a few tracks. YMMV.
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I have been looking for Hall & Oates CDs;
Red Ledge Beauty on a Backstreet |
Jafant...I see both of those H&O titles on Amazon.
Marty - I like when artists break the mold and come out with something unexpected and different (well....most of the time, Neil Young's Trans comes to mind). I will give WB some more time. As far as Daryl's voice, while I can't say he's a favorite R&R singer of mine (I'm splitting hairs a bit), I absolutely agree it is excellent.
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bdp, your analysis moved me to pull out "quadrophenia." which i've always regarded highly but rarely actually listened to. you're spot on--the playing, and in particular moon's ubiquitous fills and the heavy-handed synth, is so over the top as to be almost unbearable. which isn't to say that moon wasn't great, but he's sorta like a woman with very large breasts who insists on wearing a low cut bright purple shirt just in case your attention strays. in contrast, like you state, their early stuff like "sell out" is markedly restrained and, to my ears, vastly superior.
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Right LJ, on Sell Out they still were playing in their "hold back until the last possible moment" style, which they did better than just about anyone else. They create an incredible amount of tension, letting it build up inside until it just can’t be held back anymore, whereupon it is finally released. Very sexual! "I Can See For Miles" is their masterpiece song, the ultimate distillation of their style. As time went on, it was all about the release, without the holding back that is necessary to create tension. An ironic illustration of the Who’s tension-and-release style can be heard by comparing their version of "Shakin’ All Over" on the Live At Leeds album with the Guess Who’s (there’s the irony!) earlier studio recording of same. Both are modeled on the Johnnie Kidd & The Pirates (a very influential late-50’s/early-60’s British Rock n’ Roll combo) recording, but it is in the Guess Who’s version that an almost unbearable amount of tension is first created..........and then released---to great effect. Unfortunately, by the time of Live At Leeds, The Who were passed their prime, and no such tension is created---it’s all release. Which is, therefore, rather ineffectual. The recording also documents the bombast you noted, as well as the hoariness and heavy-handedness of Daltry’s singing. Add to that Townshend’s gratuitous attempt at playing a guitar solo---not his strong suit---and you have a real mess. And it was a hit! There is another example of a song in which I hear the great tension-and-release effect: "I’m On Fire" by The Dwight Twilley Band. Absolutely explosive! |
bdp, i like "live at leeds"--heavyhandedness and all--maybe there should be a different standard for live records, since if they mimic the restraint and/or precision of the studio records (as too many do) live albums wouldn't have a reason to exist. i agree that the guess who's "shakin" eviscerates the who's, but "i'm a boy" and "heaven and hell" are great and overall it's raw, as opposed to ponderous and overdone, like the later studio stuff. as for "i'm on fire," fantastic song with that incredible five-second guitar solo. "sincerely" on the same record is equally transcendant. moving back to the "overlooked lp" theme, you might check out his third, post phil seymour lp, "twilley," which has some great, lavishly produced pop songs. sadly, not on spotify.
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Thanks for the Hall and Oates suggestions. They are touring this summer too. Plus I'm sure their used LP's are reasonably priced. Always love Joni, but I've not yet tried Hissing O S Lawns. I have a sealed standard pressing, so no excuses there. I tend to like her earlier stuff a little better, including the David Crosby produced debut. I have not gone any later than Hejeira in her catalog. |
Boz Scaggs. Maybe the most misunderstood atrist out there?
ghosthouse, "Abandoned Luncheonete" (MFSL) has always been on my "favorites list"
loomisjohnson. Chris Isaak..Always great music, superb sound on lp!
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martykl, Peter Green "In The Skies"!!!
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"Loan Me A Dime" .
Duane Allman at his best...serving Boz's influence.
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When I first got in to this hobby, I was asking others regarding great sounding lps. One definite answer I received was H&O "Abandoned Luncheonete", MFSL.
To this day, it is one of the best sounding lps I own. I'm listening to it now!
Some dismiss H&O output. You really can't argue with sales and longevity!
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Ah, "Loan Me a Dime", also my favorite bit of Duane's playing. The highlight of Scagg's first album. The first time I saw Boz on stage was when he was rhythm guitarist in The Steve Miller Blues Band, before the blues was dropped. |