Still getting mixed results comparing CDs with Computer based Systems- sound quality wise. I see no reason for
either/ or contest between the two. Next Solar Flare wipes
out all software for word processing, you are going to be hurting for that Typewriter. Computer Audio is flaky, fragile, susceptible to fragmentation, not to mention all
manor of viruses/ malware/ spyware/ and magnetic fields.
Despite this Computer Audio is still usable, but I certainly would use CD as a back-up. I have never had to
back-up a CD. Music Files are disposable Computer trash, much like disposable lighters. Back-ups are only lipstick
on this Pig. Sneeze and you would fragment half of your
Music Files. They are only temporary, and certainly not
made to last. They are only cheap, and inexpensive- not
unlike magnetic cassette tapes! Remember those? A good
magnet can wipe out both, how reliable can that be? |
We are just now discovering all of these warts with Computer Audio? Now that we have been trying to kill off
the CD Market with "Soon all New Music will only be
available as Music Downloads"! I have been desperately
promoting the use of both Formats so long as Computer
Audio remains an unfinished Format- it is indeed that!
Now we are caught between the loss of one Format, and
the premature underdevelopment of its replacement Format.
Nice job cutting off your nose to spite your face for the sake of convenience (At the cost of everything else!). |
Not gloating! Vindication, never expected it- don't now!
I just wanted the freedom to play both Formats, and there
is alot less risk that way. In that respect do we now
plan on saving the CD Format- I didn't think so! Obviously,
this doesn't help me; therefore, I have nothing to gloat/
be vindicated about. I am in the same sorry lifeboat
(Without a Format Paddle) as everyone else! "Well Olie,
another fine mess you have gotten us into"! No Gloat,
no Vind- just rolling around with the egg on my face
(Same a everyone else). Can we clean the mess up now? |
Yeah, I kind of felt the same way being cajowled into pulling teeth for some CD Selection out of a dwindling
Format. Been painted into a corner of Computer Audio
Format Selection (Still Limited). Both Formats have
something to offer. Shoot, I would buy the same selection
from both Formats. I would probably keep the one that
sounded the best- never in the same Format! Buy the best
sounding of Computer Audio, and CD- never the same selection. No, everyone had to have the CONVENIENCE of
Computer Audio Format- or the HIGHWAY. Who is more foolish,
the fool- or the fool who follows him. If you were fooled, I followed! We have no adequate Music Format now! Our Music is splintered all over the place. I find this condition unacceptable. When do we start to fix this- or is it too INCONVENIENT to do so? Do we continue to strangle
what little life is left in the CD Format? Simple question
only requiring a simple YES, or NO! You tell me where we go from here- I'm just lost! I'm out of suggestions, and
completely frustrated- I give up! Our Music is a mess of
splintered Formats. Computer Audio is completely splintered. I don't know where to get Music from anymore. |
Sorry Realremo! The Major Labels ARE gearing up for all of
their New Music to ONLY be available as Music Downloads.
That means NO CD Release! I have already come across
numerous New Artists whose Music is only available via
Music Downloads. I have already come across thousands of
CDs that are out of print (Not Available in CD). Only
access to these selections still remains strictly Music
Downloads. "...and they wonder why anyone would still be
buying shiny discs", those are the majority of Customers that Manufacturers are targeting with Music Downloads $$$!
Shiny Disks just get in the way, well...they have just got
to go! The CONVENIENCE is in the money going into the
pockets of these Manufacturers, selling disposably cheap
Music Files. Music Quality being replaced with the
conveniently disposable cheap for profit. Quality costs
money to produce, lower Quality to maximize Profit. To give
up Quality for the sake of convenience- IN THIS ECONOMY???
If there is another Recession, maybe we deserve what we get! We no longer have ANY Standard for Music Quality. Any
Standard for Quality in anything else we buy- will be the
next of many dominoes to fall. Might as well just sign over
your entire monthly Paycheck for a few beans! Sooo Sad!!! |
So many distortions, so little time. Nonoise: "Better PC
Audio is just around the corner...". Microsoft, Mac...etc,
are NOT interested in the AUDIOPHILE business- or Music
business. There is no plans on the table for "RESEARCH",
"DEVELOPMENT" in the "SOFTWARE" department of Computer Audio. Other Audio Formats have had a history of Research,
and development. Software development for Computer Audio in
Operating Systems is non-existent. These Manufacturers are
strictly in the Information business, not the Music business. You have no Advocate in Software development for
Computer Audio. If Major Manufacturers won't even support development of Computer Audio Format, you don't have a
Format. Realmo: "Petty officer, yes lots of New Artists are only available via MP3 download". Nice try in distracting from the fact of Tens of Thousands of CD Selections are currently out of print. Bizarre that they
all remain available for sale on i-Tunes. "Vast Majority of
people really don't care about Sound Quality". The best
fable to boost profit at your expense. You would have to accept that people generally don't care about quality in
anything. That they are desperately seeking the lowest quality anything at a higher price. I don't see people
rushing to the market demanding to pay double of what is
on the price tag. I am having a hard time trying to apply
this same bizarre scenario to Products that produce Sound
Quality. It is a fable from Manufacturers, to benefit
Manufacturers, to benefit their Profit at your expense.
Such convenience must surely be by accident, and not by design. Am I also supposed to buy that the Earth really is flat after all? Sorry, you are not picking my pocket for that one- or any other conveniently profitable fable. We
instinctively demand lower value (Quality), and demand to
pay double/triple for it with Computer Audio? Yet, with
other Audio Formats we do the inverse? I wonder why? People
have a self interest in promoting the Format they like best, by eliminating the competition with Fable/Rook/ or by
Crook!. Give me more than one Audio Format for competitions
sake- That is what I am trying to promote. I am not promoting a single exclusive Format here for New Music- or any Music!!! Lower Quality in many things is something this
economy cannot afford; because, it can only lead to lower
acceptable Quality in everything. This creates severely
harmful Recessions, and Depressions. This is NOT CONVENIENT at all for you! Continuously lower the bar, it
will eventually strangle you- and any hope for economic recovery. What a waste, choice is yours. Results are on your head. |
Whoooaa, Nonoise! I thought that we were all supposed to be
NOT be interested in Sound Quality since we are purchasing
Computer Audio now! I am not pessimistic. I just know that
the ONLY way to hit the nail on the head of High Quality
Music is COMPETITION between Formats. No joy if we are in
the business of terminating Formats. Unless you have
something to hit Microsoft (And Bretheren) on the head to get their Software in the High Quality Music business- there is your bottleneck of pessimism. They are not exactly doing any research/development on Computer Audio,
so we have to patchwork around their Audio defficient
Operating Systems. This is the source of Computer Audio
research/development being hog tied. This is the ball, and
chain wrapped around Computer Audio's neck. Lots of joy in
research/development in other Audio Formats- NO JOY in same
from Major Software Manufacturers. Without research/
development Computer Audio (Music) goes nowhere. Lots of
research in games, apps, and Video though. Music, ehhh...
not so much from Microsoft. As far as they are concerned,
you don't have a Computer Audio Format since they don't
support it (That is their pessimism, not mine). They are
sort of like the rest of us Joe Shmoes that are not interested in Sound Quality (Excuse me, I mean that they
don't see a profit in it!). Yet, those who promote Computer Audio DO SEE a future in using it. How is that
possible with Major Operating System Software Manufacturers
DO NOT see a future in doing ANY research/development in
Computer Audio Music. Me thinks there is a serious flaw here in your logic, and reason. That doesn't necessarily
mean that I am pessimistic. I can be just as optimistic as
anyone else about that large crack in a huge Dam, spewing
water. No reason to panic, right? It will hold, right? |
Nonoise, I use ASUS products for Computer Audio. On the
Hardware side Computer Audio has huge potential. There
is actual Research/Development being done in the Hardware
for Computer Audio improvement. It is just that this can't
fill the vacuum of lack of the same for Software in the
O.S. with Computer Audio. Microsoft (And the rest) are just
laughing their butts off at their idea of silly expectations for Computer Audio. Of course there are
competing dollars. Dollars for Computer Audio (Music) versus Dollars for other Computer Entertainment (Games,
Videos, Apps). Microsoft sees ZERO profit for the former,
and ALL of the profit in the latter. You tell them that
" The American Public is not interested in Sound Quality "!
They believe you, and vote their dollars in research/development in all things Computer other than
Computer Audio Music. This has to be the first Audio Format
that shoots itself in both feet, and cuts its own nose off
to spite its face. No matter how hopeful, no Audio Format
can survive this. I want to use more than one Audio Format,
one being Computer Audio. Microsoft would rather put a game, video, or an App. in my hand rather than a Music File. Talk to them if you want Computer Audio to be successful. I wish you luck (Sincerely!). I like Music too! Here is a secret- THEY DON'T!!! They like maximizing profit instead. You can't build on a Computer Audio Format
without some Software Foundation. "FORGET ABOUT IT"! They are not going to provide it! Hold your breath if you want-
they will win that one too. |
You don't think that "The American Public is not interested
in Sound Quality", isn't a despairing statement? This is not my statement. Check my previous entries. I am the
optimist arguing against this statement. Those who promote
PC Audio use this despairing statement as support. THAT
IS SAD!!! It would be like them saying that everyone should lower their Sound Quality in utilizing Computer Audio- How Mundane! I am taking the optimist route here that I believe Computer Audio has potential. I am optimistic about keeping CD around as a check, and balance
in case manufacturers get lazy with the Sound Quality of
Computer Audio. I am optimistic at targeting Software O.S.
Manufacturers for dragging research into improving
Computer Audio Music. I am optimistic about a Public planting a size 14 up their b___s to get them out of their
myopic obsession over profit- and do something about
improving Computer Audio. Why must it always be dragged down by severe limitations in the O.S. Software? People
will eventually realize what they have lost in Music, and
eventually demand it back! That is my optimistic answer to
the first statement at the beginning of this Response. What, pray tell, is your optimistic answer? Fairie dust
just isn't going to cut it with Microsoft. You need to put
some pig skin in the game to get that research/ development
a movin' in the O.S. Software for Computer Audio. It
simply cannot succeed otherwise. How can it? Give me a reason why it would (That is NOT being pessimistic!). Do
we really expect that Microsoft reverse researching, and
reverse developing Software for Computer Audio will magically make it more successful? HOW MUNDANE!!! |
I appreciate your response, Mountainsong. The most important thing to remember is that all Consumers are in competition with manufacturers in demanding bigger bang
(Music Sound Quality) for the Buck. We are in constant negotiations over quality. We are playing poker with these manufactures across the table. We show them our hand when we claim "The American Public is not interested in Sound Quality". What are we doing in boosting the competition when we tip our hand? Who does this help, yourself- or the guy across the table? We should be eyeballing him to make sure he doesn't have anything up his sleeve. He is not our friend. He is in this game to win at our expense- spelled out LESS BANG (Sound Quality) FOR THE BUCK! He carries his own six shooters, I don't think he is in any desperate need for our help. We are the Prey in this game, the Predator is NOT going to be our FRIEND! CONVENIENCE is a hook the Predator uses very well to lure its Prey. Try looking in the mirror if you still don't understand who that Prey is. LEVERAGE is our only defense, not empty hopes and promises. Stop shooting Sound Quality (And Yourself) in the foot all of the time. Everyone will be very glad to give you alot less, unless you demand more.
Who are you negotiating with- yourself? Appreciate it if you wouldn't lose! We all lose. |
Do respect your two cents, Jeffatus. Everyone thinks that I am cynical. I am trying to uncynicalize Major Labels/ O.S. Manufacturers from a narcistic obsession over profit at the expense of sound quality. That means that they want to take away your option of buying releases on CD, therefore force you to strictly buying your Music via downloads ONLY!!! There are atleast several thousands of CD releases OUT OF PRINT! You cannot buy them on CD, but they are strictly available as downloads ONLY! New Music is starting to not even be released on CD- download ONLY!
Pretty soon the only thing that you will be able to burn a copy of will be a download, unless you are blocked by Copyright Data Management already installed in Microsoft O.S. MUSIC is going the way of CDs, Records, 8 Track, and VHS. You are NOT going to get any improvement in sound quality for PC Audio from Microsoft. That is the end of PC Audio Format- what else is there? Cynical Anti-Audiophile Manufacturers are now in charge of sound quality for PC Audio. There is no sound quality for most downloads when it stands in the way of profit. I am trying to be optomistic about us holding onto atleast one other Format
so that Gamers don't decide that my MP3 Sampling Rate is just too high- and cuts into Computer Manufacturers profit. You want sound quality, you are going to have to fight these bast___s for it. For me, that is being optimistic. Music, and sound quality, IS worth fighting for! What sound quality a majority of American Public is not interested in- IS BEING CYNICAL! I am trying to promote QUALITY over PROFIT. This is something that I am OPTIMISTICALLY trying to do! Yeah, wish me luck!!! |
Wildoats- no one says that you can't use Computer Audio any way you want. Ripping CDs will become a further mute point with over ten thousand CD Releases currently out of print. Still available for download from I-Tunes. Certain Selections available from other places. Public being further coralled into download option only as New Releases are now being made only available as downloads- NO CD OPTION AVAILABLE. Download option only one available for a whole slew full of releases. Problem is from fragmentation, magnetic fields, Viruses, Malware, and all forms of Computer Ill's affecting stored Music Files. Only way to replace these releases will be from downloading- if
Internet isn't wasted from next Major Solar Flare. Save the CDs for back-up as Back-up Hard Drive just as succeptible to these Computer Ill's. CDs going away (As They Certainly Are Rapidly Disappearing), don't know what to tell you if you lose your Music. Definitely will be harder to replace! Music Files disposable trash. They don't sound so bad (And are convenient). They just weren't
made to last. Safest bet would be to save both Formats.
FORGET ABOUT IT! Lost that arguement. Putting all eggs in one basket of downloading. Eggs/Music Files = FRAGMENTATION = SLIMY MESS!!! Not so convenient to clean up, or replace! |
