Are you a Verificationist about audio?


A Verificationist about audio believes that...

A statement about audio is valid ONLY IF it can be verified, and it can be verified ONLY IF there is some finite, repeatable, public procedure for determining whether it is true or false.

Verificationism is a major ideological division on Audiogon, particularly on topics relating to cables, power accessories, and miscellaneous tweaks. Verificationists argue that, if a statement about cable x, power outlet y, or tweak z cannot be verified, then the statement is not valid. Anti-verificationists argue that, if they themselves hear a difference between item x and item y, then that is sufficient to make statements about those items valid.

Are you a Verificationist about audio?
bryoncunningham

Showing 4 responses by almarg

Hi Bryon,

Interesting question. In my case I would say that the answer is neither "yes" nor "no."

Assessing the validity of the kinds of statements you refer to, as I see it, is a matter of making reasoned judgments, taking into account the science that is involved, one's own listening experience and experiments, and anecdotal evidence that is offered by others.

The anecdotal evidence part of it in turn obviously requires considerable filtering, to a degree that varies depending on:

1)How broad the consensus seems to be about the particular tweak or other matter. Which is NOT to say that broadly held beliefs will always be correct.
2)Its degree of apparent absurdity.
3)The thoroughness and degree of discipline that seems to have gone into the reported assessments. Particularly the degree of care that seems to have gone into making sure that what is reported as having been heard is attributed to the right variable.

I am a verificationist to the extent that I believe that reason, common sense, scientific understanding, careful experimentation, and disciplined methodology are an essential part of achieving optimal results.

I am also a verificationist to the extent that I reject the notion some seem to have that there is no finite limit to the degree of absurdity of a tweak beyond which it is legitimate to reject the tweak without trying it.

I am a non-verificationist to the extent I believe that known science, and scientific methodology, cannot explain and verify all of our audio-related perceptions, and also to the extent that I recognize that the finite limit I referred to above is a wide one.

If that all sounds to some like a non-answer, my feeling is that like most things in life, audio involves making judgments and educated guesses involving shades of gray and matters of degree, not choices between black and white or yes and no.

Best regards,
-- Al
This might be thought of as a kind of Pragmatic Verificationism, since it advocates an allegiance to scientific corroboration, while acknowledging that current science is limited in its representations of reality. Pragmatic Verificationism is what I suspect Al believes. It is certainly what I believe.... Verificationism is about an ATTITUDE toward controversial statements - in this case, statements about audio components or systems. In my view, that attitude, or its absence, influences the way in which controversial statements are received, every day here on A’gon.
Very well put, Bryon. Thanks! That indeed characterizes much of my relevant beliefs, and provides me with greater insight into those beliefs than I was previously able to formulate.

Best regards,
-- Al
Mr. T, I'm sure that you are familiar with the old saying about there being only two things in life that are certain.

When it comes to everything else in life, we deal with and make judgments and decisions that involve uncertainties, probabilities, shades of gray, and matters of degree. The better informed those judgments are, and the greater the amount of information that is available upon which to base them, and the better our understanding of that information, the greater the likelihood that those judgments will be correct.

Fabulous posts, Bryon!!

Best regards,
-- Al
05-21-12: Learsfool
Bryon's first post today gets my vote for the best post on Audiogon so far this year.
He would be competing against himself, IMO, as I would give several of his other posts similar nominations. Starting above, with the first of those dated 5-20-12. Also this one dated 8-18-11 (liberally interpretating "this year" to mean either the past 365 days, or "this fiscal year" :-)).

Best regards,
-- Al