Are we being cheated?


I hereby maintain that all high end speakers are basically THE SAME.

The real differences are negligible and the differences that are not negligible are in fact fabricated by the speaker companies to make us believe that we are hearing an improvement and to ultimately increase their profit. Some differences we hear are psychological and non existent. Audiophiles are blinded by the lack of unbiased testing methods and rely on invalid comparisons. It is a common trick to shape the response in one way or another when designing the crossover. The differences we hear are then interpreted to be better or worse. The bbc dip is one example. Different parts of the response can be boosted or cut to enhance detail and depth of image. These are not improvements that justify upgrading your loudspekers. These are simple tweaks that could be done using dsp by the end user. There has NEVER been any evidence that any speaker is actually better than another. There is no consensus on the definition of a better speaker. We are being sold multiple variations of the same basic thing. No speaker company has ever produced a speaker product line where each speaker differs from the next by only one variable. Its always multiple variables being varied in order to obscure the differences. If Magico are confident in the superiority of their cabinets they need to make two versions of the same speaker where one differs from the other only in cabinet material. 

I hereby maintain that the differences we hear are due to invalid tests, invalid comparisons, poor room acoustics, comparing multiple variables simultaneously, non blind tests, and mental illness i.e psychological and fabricated or imagined. 

In order to hear the difference between one speaker and another, we must pick the variable we wish to compare and fix all the other variables in both speakers and then use blind testing or any other reliable test method. Since audiophiles do not do this, their conclusions are spurious. 

We are being cheated by the speaker companies but we are also cheating ourselves. The lack of consensus and divergence of opinions within the audiophile community about what we hear is proof of this. 
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I hereby maintain that all high end speakers are basically THE SAME.
Yes, they all produce speakers intended to sell them to a certain market.

The real differences are negligible and the differences that are not negligible are in fact fabricated by the speaker companies to make us believe that we are hearing an improvement and to ultimately increase their profit. Some differences we hear are psychological and non existent. Audiophiles are blinded by the lack of unbiased testing methods and rely on invalid comparisons. It is a common trick to shape the response in one way or another when designing the crossover. The differences we hear are then interpreted to be better or worse. The bbc dip is one example. Different parts of the response can be boosted or cut to enhance detail and depth of image. These are not improvements that justify upgrading your loudspekers. These are simple tweaks that could be done using dsp by the end user. There has NEVER been any evidence that any speaker is actually better than another. There is no consensus on the definition of a better speaker. We are being sold multiple variations of the same basic thing. No speaker company has ever produced a speaker product line where each speaker differs from the next by only one variable. Its always multiple variables being varied in order to obscure the differences.
The other term for all of the above is "voicing the speaker".

Most of it is not a ’trick’, but an attempt to make the speaker sound the way the designer believes is best, at the given price range. for their intended market. Sure, an argument could be made, that they exaggerate some aspect with the intended outcome to make the speaker more sellable. But it is still up to the buyer to choose.

All speaker design is a compromise. Some designers may voice their speakers to maximise certain aspects, and minimize others, but that is because those are the aspects they think sound the best. Some may design for minimum phase and quasi transient perfect response, because those are the aspects they believe result in the best sound quality, another designer, with different design priorities may design for completely other aspects.

The end results may be equally good, just different. Then it is up to the listener to choose which trade offs they are willing to live with.

All speaker design is a compromise, and it is juggling these compromises that result in different sounding speakers.

If Magico are confident in the superiority of their cabinets they need to make two versions of the same speaker where one differs from the other only in cabinet material.

I can’t speak for Magico, but I once had the chance of hearing a comparable high end speaker (name withheld, but their factory is in the Southern California area) prototype in standard box material (birch ply used for tweaking the crossover), and the finished product in their CLD cabinet material, and there was a definite difference. It was not hard to hear. Not sure why there is even a controversy on this in your mind. Cabinet resonances, damping, internal standing waves, rigidness, ALL make a difference in the end product.

I hereby maintain that the differences we hear are due to invalid tests, invalid comparisons, poor room acoustics, comparing multiple variables simultaneously, non blind tests, and mental illness i.e psychological and fabricated or imagined.

In order to hear the difference between one speaker and another, we must pick the variable we wish to compare and fix all the other variables in both speakers and then use blind testing or any other reliable test method. Since audiophiles do not do this, their conclusions are spurious.

We are being cheated by the speaker companies but we are also cheating ourselves. The lack of consensus and divergence of opinions within the audiophile community about what we hear is proof of this.

Yes, the entire audio hobby is based on subjective impressions, the weakness of our listening rooms, bla, bla, bla.

None of this has anything to do with the fact, that we are still able to get reasonably accurate sounding systems in our homes on a pretty consistent basis. Despite all the problems you see, real or nonexistent.

Might be time for you to get another hobby.