ARE SUPER EXPENSIVE STREAMERS REALLY WORTH IT


Folks I am confused why some streamers need to be so eye wateringly expensive. I appreciate the internal basics need to be covered such as a high quality, low noise power supply and a decent processor speed etc..  but that is not rocket science.

So my question is could a decent streamer outputting its data stream via I2S to a good quality DAC receiving the I2S stream be a more cost effective way of rivalling let’s say a streamer costing 5k upwards.

I have heard and digested the argument for expensive streamers quality being centred around the management of the data timing via a quality clock circuit but there are very reasonable in relative terms, DAC’s out there that have dual super high quality temp controlled clocks within, at least the equal or arguably even better than the say a 5k streamer with some sporting dual high end DAC chips etc.

So could utilizing a good quality streamer and a separate high-quality DAC connected via I2S indeed offer significant benefits and potentially reduce the need for a very expensive streamer.

I say this with the knowledge that I2S is designed to preserve and separate the Signals so avoiding the timing issues connected with multiplexing. I2S (Inter-IC Sound) separates the music signal from the timing signal, potentially eliminating jitter or at the very least greatly reducing the possibility for the pesky music killing jitter which we all could agree would lead to improving overall sound quality.

Wouldn’t this separation ensure that the timing information is more accurately preserved, even when compared to a high price streamer, leading as clean or cleaner and more precise audio data output. With I2S, the DAC can use its own high-quality clock/s to synchronize the data, which will reduce jitter and improve sound quality.

Could this possibly mean that even if the streamer has a less advanced clock, the DAC’s superior clock can take over, ensuring best  performance.

So bang for buck would it not be advantageous to investing in a high-quality DAC and using a good but not necessarily top-tier streamer to achieve excellent sound quality without the need for an extremely expensive streamer. Surely the DAC’s performance will play a crucial role in the final sound quality.

Play gentle with the pile on please....................

nubiann

Showing 1 response by qwin

I was a believer in i2s fairly early on and on paper it makes sense, however.......

After trying both PS Audio and Topping DAC's with i2s inputs, connected to either a RPi streamer or NuPrime CD transport with i2s outputs, the results were not show stoppers and in all combinations a decent (Only £50) coax lead sounded better using SPDIF!
As in everything, its all about implementation and for what ever reason, i2s just didn't work for me using these items, so be aware that improvements using i2s is not a given. The HDMI i2s pin outs were compatible and correct, as indicated by the manufacturers diagrams, but it only ever sounded ok, even with a short but expensive HDMI lead, supposedly designed for such a connection.
I now use 75ohm coax with BNC connectors all round and I'm happy with that arrangement.

I use an Eversolo DMP A-6 ME with LPS upgrade and BNC digital in/out conversion.
This Streaming DAC is very user friendly and sounds great. In my opinion, you would have to have a very good quality and costly set up to hear any benefit from a more expensive Streamer/DAC. My set up is a Pass XP-12 Pre into Neurochrome 686 Monoblocks with balanced XLR connections throughout.
I try to keep my box count to sane levels and feel certain combinations go well together. A Streamer/DAC combo is a natural choice in my opinion as is a Pre Amp/Phono stage, but having said that, I have the Pass XP-17 which is a separate phono stage. The one thing I don't want is a Streamer/DAC/Pre combo, as this is invariably a digital Pre Amp and the built in analogue to digital conversion, needed for my phono stage will be a joke.

My only complaint with the Eversolo A-6 is its only available in Black, other than that, it's a keeper until the next leap in technology, provides even better quality/features at a reasonable price.

God luck with your system building, I hope you find the synergy we all seek in this hobby, strike that, obsession! smiley