are all amps equal


I have recently gotten the Mcintosh bug, but a friend of my who does a LOT or reading on the net says power output is the answer not the name. I am looking for the best sound I can get in the 3k$ range for my Usher Be 718s. I have looked at many used Mcintosh units in the 200 watt plus output area, but my friend says a new 250 watt Emotiva would be a better value. The Emotiva is around $800.
I would like some imput.. Thanks, Don
keslerd

Showing 4 responses by johnnyb53

I have a solution that would give you LOTS of high quality, good-sounding power to your Ushers and solve your crap-cable problem (your current cables will sabotage your upgrades and quest for higher resolution) and stay within your budget.

For the amp, get a pair of Musical Fidelity Mono 550K power amps. These were released at $5K/pair, but Audio Advisor (and I assume, other vendors) are closing them out at half price. That's 550watts per amp for $2500.

These have garnered many rave reviews and are said to be extremely neutral. They can accept either line level or speaker level inputs. Using the speaker level inputs, they retain the characteristics of the amp feeding them.

Secondly, you need to lose the zip cord. There are a couple of good speaker cable and interconnect deals I know of. One
source is HCM Audio, who has AudioQuest GBC speaker cable at about $80/8-foot pair and good interconnects to go with them.

The other source is an eBay store called homenetworksupply. He has the Belkin PureAV Silver series cables at pretty low prices.

Belkin PureAV Silver Series is made of Ohno Continuous Cast monocrystal copper. This is usually pretty expensive, but he has the 4-ft. interconnects for about $18/pair and 8-foot speaker cable with very nice banana terminations for about $65/pair.

I managed to scoop up some 12-foot pairs of these speaker cables from parts-express.com for the ridiculously low $20/pair, down from $130/pair list. Unfortunately they are all gone now, but I have them on my hi-rez 2-channel (primarily analog) rig and they are REALLY good.

So there you have it--550 wpc from Musical Fidelity for $2500 and interconnects and speaker cables made of monocrystal copper for under $100.

As for Bluejeans cable, I haven't used that brand, but I've used interconects made from Canare star-quad, which is the wire stock they use to make their interconnects. I found them to be smooth and musical, but anybody who thinks they're hi-rez is kidding themselves. Those $18 Belkin PureAV Silver interconnects will eat them for lunch, as will just about any interconnect I have in my systems--AudioQuest Black Mamba and Blue Racer (exclusive from Audio Advisor), JPS SuperConductor, and Kimber Hero.

That is the LEAST you should be using with your Ushers.
I just have problems paying $500 for 6ft. piece of wire.
Get over it, or you'll *never* hear the potential in your Ushers.

Stop thinking of them as "wire." They are passive components, and like anything else, are subject to the same rules of design, quality control, quality of materials, copper purity, signal transfer efficiency, engineering, and ultimately, point of diminishing returns.

I never understood the mentality of buying top quality gear and then thinking that the cables that perform the signal transfer from one component to another are exempt from those basic laws of quality vs. economics.

The very least you should have for your system is Kimber Hero interconnects and 8TC or 12TC speaker cable, or an equivalent from AudioQuest, Cardas, or Analysis Plus. Of course there are many many other cable makers out there, but this would be a good start.

Also, think about adding a high quality outboard DAC to your digital front end. The Onkyo is a highly regarded CD player for the money (and I have their companion A-9555 integrated amp, which is great for the money). Still, if you spent your $2-3K on $250-300/pr interconnects, a $500-600 pair of biwire speaker cables, and a Benchmark DAC-1, Lavry A10, or PS Audio Digital Link III or their new PerfectWave DAC, you'd hear the music as you'd never heard it before. Not more boom and sizzle, but rather loads more of everything in between, where most of the music lives.
03-30-09: Tvad
Most of us start where Keslerd is presently, i.e. not wanting to spend $500/6 ft of wire.

I know I did.
Well, you're right, of course. For all the bluster in my previous post, I'm a bottom-feeder when it comes to cables. I firmly believe in the benefit of up-quality cables, but I also have trouble paying full pop. Depends on the cable and the availability. But then that's true of all my audio gear.

On the one hand I got the $1500 PS Audio XStream Bi-wire speaker cables on closeout from Audio Advisor for $350. On the other hand I paid full price ($160/pr at the time) for three pairs of Kimber Heroes and was glad to do it because they deliver great value for the asking price.

I may scour for bargains, but I use mostly multi-gauge (such as Kimber Varistrand--to minimize skin effect) single-crystal high purity copper in both the surround HT rig and the LP-driven 2-channel system. Once you've heard what monocrystal copper does to preserve the signal it's hard going back.
03-31-09: Keslerd
...I went over to Audio Advisor got some Black Mamba II, and spent even more. I no longer have just wire.
Good job. That Black Mamba II is worlds better than anything Bluejeans has to offer. Black Mamba rocks! And for your $100/meter pair you're going to get something that otherwise would run $150-200/pr. to achive.

As I said before, 6-nines copper plus monocrystal copper is the shiznit. Various architectures can help, but it's gotta start with the copper, and the Black Mamba gets that right.