Apogee s versus a haircut


A couple of years back I went out for a haircut, stopped in at my local dealer and snapped up a mint pair of Apogee Caliper Signature II's for $500
Got them home and set up with my Krell Kav 300i, in place of trusty old QLN sig's.
Sound was kind of ok for a while, but felt the room/amp didn't really do them justice. Sounded a bit thin, imaging was average, soundstage wide but not deep, bass fast and tight but not low.

Couldn't move them more than 18" from front wall, and had them firing long ways down a 12' X 35' room.
I've since moved, changed amps to a CJ CAV 50, though the room problems are the same.

Question - does anyone have any ideas on how to best position and drive these beauties? What are they worth (9/10 years old)? Is it worth me dragging them out of the basement to try with my CJ amp? Can anyone recommend a really good speaker that works best up against a wall (no Linns please)

Thanks for any help.
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Blue book retail on the Caliper Signatures, mint condition, is $1582. Frankly this seems a bit optimistic to me. Remember blue book is not the bible.

I think the CJ would have a hard time driving the Calipers.

As far as recommending a speaker that works best up against the wall, I have two recommendations. The first is the old Snell Type A. This speaker was designed to go up against the wall and was among the best of its day.

The Gradient Revolution from Finland is a brilliantly innovative and musical design, and can be positioned very close to the rear wall. Unlike virtually all dynamic speakers, the bass is dipole - that is, no enclosure, just a folded baffle! The result is cleaner and more natural bass than I have heard from any box speaker, including several systems costing between 50 and 100 grand. The rest of the spectrum is very natural as well, and the Gradients invite you to listen deep into the music. You might want to check them out at http://www.gradient.fi/En/index.htm . The Gradient Revolution (the new active model) was overall the most enjoyable speaker of its size or price range that I heard at the 2001 CES, and just so happens the Revolution works quite well up against the rear wall. See their website for an explanation with diagrams.

The Gradients are somewhat demanding of power - the CJ might be marginal, but I bet it would sound wonderful within those margins!
Did you like the hair cut? Even if you didn't you got a GREAT deal on the Calipers. If you feed'em right, they will reward you with astonishingly good sound. However, the first step is to let them breath and this means distance from the front wall and distance from them. If you can't do this you might as well sell them. My Apogees sound best 50-60" out into my 22'x15'x8' room and I listen about 13' away. In the right spot, they will have a sound stage and coherency like you read about. I think your CJ amp would have a hard time with them, particularly on the bottom end. Good, beefy solid state is the way to go : older Classe (DR-8 or DR-9)& Threshold, pair of Forte 4a's, CODA, Pass and in particular, Reference Line (scarce). The watch word here is the amps that seem to work best on Apogees are those that are deeply class A biased and can dish out the current. Cabling : Symo, Audioquest (good old midnight and sterling) and Nordost (blue heaven & red dawn). One thing you might try is to add a good subwoofer that has a high pass section that's worth something (like Velodyne or HSU)so that you can cut off the bottom end of the Calipers. This will open up the soundstage considerably and add a fair amount of head room to the Calipers. When you move the calipers out into the room they may up becoming bass heavy. Check theses sites out. They can give you a lot of information on the care and feeding (and repair)of Apogees. Good luck. http://audioworld.com/cgibin/sw/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=1 and http://www.apogeespeakers.totalserve.co.uk/