Anyone have experience with acousticfields.com or with using true pressure traps?


I am preparing to build a two channel listening room in my basement. Planned dimensions are 17’X23’X10’. Perfect chance to get it right since it is to be built from scratch. One chance if you will.

i have some experience with velocity traps (absorption), enough to know that when using typical absorption products, it is nearly impossible to effectively address room bass nodes without creating an acoustically dead room since fiberglass and rock wool traps are exceptionally efficient at absorbing mid and high frequencies and exceptionally inefficient at absorbing low and even mid-bass frequencies.

After checking out several companies online that specialize in room treatment, Acoustic Fields (acousticfields.com) stood out to me because they design and build pressure traps that precisely target specific frequencies (vs the broad-band behavior of velocity/absorptive traps) based on mathematical modeling identifying exactly where and what frequencies of acoustic anomalies will occur in a specific room and matching frequency-specific pressure traps in the exact room locations that reduce/eliminate problem nodes at the listening position without affecting non-target frequencies as velocity/absorptive traps do.

This approach promises to get quite expensive. I am wondering if anyone here has any experience with Acoustic Fields (or installing/using pressure traps) that would provide helpful input regarding their experiences.

 

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@holmz my thought was to try to design the construction of the room such that the acoustic treatments would be built into the walls, so I am attempting to find someone who can mathematically model the room before it is built. Currently the basement is unfinished and one very large room (1900+ sq ft total) and the existing walls are cinder block. The basement is divided in half lengthwise by a staircase so I have 20 feet max on each side and length is limited to 27 feet due to a tankless water heater installation.

I can keep you apprised of my findings as I learn more about which acoustical treatments and construction techniques will work best.

I participated in a call with Dennis @acousticfields.com this afternoon. He was friendly and helpful and came across to me as one who knows what he is talking about. The bottom line is that he offered his room design services for a substantial fee (which is completely credited toward a subsequent purchase of goods) and suggested that I go the DIY route, buying only the carbon and foam from him, due to my limited budget. It appears it will take a lot of carbon to build the complement of pressure traps (around 70!) needed to completely treat a room this size (17’X23’X10.5’).

Two things look to be a problem: 1) he said he is backlogged 2-3 months for design services and 2) the cost. I could possibly swing (at the high side of my budget) the number he quoted if the pressure traps were turnkey, but adding labor (and the cost of wood) for my carpenter to build 70 of the pressure traps would make the cost way beyond my means.

@arsh I briefly reviewed the description of the ASC ISO system on their website and it appears that it primarily intended for soundproofing. That is not a concern for me since the new room will be the only room in the basement and the exterior walls are cinder block and mostly underground. I am 100% focused on optimizing the sound quality inside the room itself. Did I misunderstand the ASC ISO system’s benefits? BTW I really like the concept of the Stillpoint Aperatures and hope to work four into my room budget.

@4krowme I recall there was a product from Billy Bags some time ago that used a microphone and an amplified bass speaker wired out of phase that was hung in a corner from the ceiling to cancel room bass nodes. I thought it was interesting but it was long discontinued by the time I discovered it. Would that be what you are remembering?

@holmz it may end up that I have to go the passive trap route due to cost. I am beginning to realize that any method of optimizing the construction of the room, no matter how sophisticated or expensive, will leave peaks and nulls to deal with. The peaks are relatively easy: absorption and/or active equalization are well equipped to eliminate or at least moderate those, but it is the nulls that are the fly in the ointment. Even active equalization cannot help with the nulls. FF to 8:15 in the video below. It appears that speaker/listening room placement is the only way to minimize the effect of nulls?