Anyone familiar with Ikeda 9 series (cantileverless kind) MC cartridges?


Impressed by the series FR-7 kinds , more in particular the FR-7 fz, I wanted to try some of the

9 C(?) kinds. I was able to buy the 9 C, mk2 but was not able to find much info about other

versions.  There are later versions so I am interested in their possible  ''added values''.

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Thanks dear ddriveman, My only problem with 9C,mk 2 is the

(very) low compliance. I can hardly  get 50 microns ''pure''

with tracking capability test records. Speculating or rather deducing

from VTF 2 g by R versions in comparison with 2.5 g for my 9C,2

I assume that R versions have higher compliance (?).

BTW I recently purchased Ikeda 9 TT with aluminum cantilever.

Nice but not equal to the cantileverless kinds.

Hi edgewear, Do you mean by your first sentence different

versions of the 9 series or different treatment of ''each member''

of the family? I am searching for the  9 REX for a long time but

in hope to get a better ''rider'' than my 9C, 2. Your denial of

even my ''very low compliance'' does not look very promising.

I don't understand difference in VTF without compliance .

Is the thought that the last version is the best wrong?

If this make sense than the question is which one is the

latest? (grin). My both FR-64 are adjusted according to Bearwald

so I can't use those with headshell. BTW I don't like any

Ikeda headshell.  Deed you ever ty some other version?

Dear ddriveman, The nomenclature of the most cartridges make

no sense. Think of AT and ZYX kinds. The FR-7 series is not

simple but series 9 is curious. Takeda san with his Miyabi

demonstrated that ''simple is better''. If my assumption that

the ''latest is the best'' is correct than 9 MUSA is the one to

look for. But I hope that this ''variant'' is without headshell.  

Thanks for putting  them in the right order.  We should start

a thread about MC kinds like Rauls MM thread (grin).

I do miss J. Carr's contributions . He could probably answer

our questions.

Thanks dear edgewear , While I considered this 9 C kinds

as ''exotic'' among the MC kinds I am actually stunned by the

lack of interest by the so called '' connoisseurs''. We see many

MC carts for +10 K prices while those ''precious'' can be get

for ''only'' about $2000. So, ''obviously'', you , my beloved

ddriveman and I have extraordinary tastes (grin).

Dear syntax, I am sure you tried many but what about this ''9

series''? Your sample looks certainly ''exotic''  but deed it

sound as such? You don't need to spare your Serbian friend

if you have some critical remarks; I am used to (grin).

Saburo, I need to check for you by my comrade Don (Griffiths)

but he informed me that ''Needle clinic'' (?) can fix those

9 series cartridges. Anyway this retipper can provide a new

stylus. Considering the fact(?) that all those ''members'' of

the series have the same construction your ''Rowland'' sample

should be ''the same''.


Dear chakster, MY THREAD is not meant for your obsession

with this totally unknow Luxman TT. Even an blind person can

see that this thread is about cartridges not TT's (grin).

Dear Lew, What a waste of opportunity. You offered to me to buy for me those titanium screws while I am looking for Ikeda 9 REX for a long time. I should ask for Ikeda instead of those screws. I would of course transfer $2 000 to you in advance in order not to compromise our friendship . Do you have the intention to visit your son also next year(grin)?

Dear chakster, Your ''argument'' also apply for tonearms, amps,

pre-amps, phono-pres , speakers and even ''resonators''.

However all of those have their own forums (grin). BTW I hope

syntax will first answer MY question.

No dear chakster I forget coma after ''resonators''  then even

silver cables would be included.

@saburo , His name is Andy and his firm ''needleclinic@gmail.com''

As far as I know he can change the stylus for other issues you

should contact him.

As a young boy I was most impressed by the writer Erich Maria
Remarque. He wrote about soldiers and their willingeness to
die for each other. I agreed in principe. The book in question
was ''Im Westen nichts neues'' (Nothing new in the West).
I will borow the title and extend to known universe: ''nothing
new about carts except the price''. Following edgewear advice
I also searched for the ''good old kinds''. My newest  discoveries
are Kiseki Agaat (the ''stone kinds'') and the latest Black wood.
The Black wood was meant as ''poor man'' Lapis Lazuli.
But the only difference is the body (stone versus wood) and
cantilever (diamond versus boron). To me both belong in the
same ''category' as FR-7 fz and Ikeda Rex ( the cantileverless kind). 
Thanks my Slavic brother but I would prefer even Russian
translation (grin). 
Hi Lew, I consider your welcome as an compliment from the most
eloquent member in our forum.
Each MC cart has the so called ''tension wire'' which connect
''moving parts'' with the generator. The wire is fastened to
the ''joint pipe'' (aluminum tube) in which front side cantilever
is glued and back side on wich coil is fastened. The tension
wire ''center'' the cantilever and press the coil against the
 damper. By Decca and Ikeda's cantileverless carts there is
also a kind of wire from the stylus to the generator but which
function is not clear to me. My assumption for Ikeda is ''ground
 wire''.  Does anybody ''knows better''? 

Dear Dover, My Gosh, after the most eloquent member in our forum
I get post from the ''best informed member in our forurm''. I think
I should ask my English teacher Lew what ''hoop'' means. My
''forum brother'' Don owns Decca and try the ''explanation'' by
comparision. But ''his wire'' is not ''my wire'' while the comparison
is some kind of insult to my Ikeda REX (grin). 
Hi tomic, Because of , say, postfix ''IC'' in your name I assume
that your are ''some kind'' of compatriote to me. But I do hope
that you are not Croatian(?). You should write in  Serbo-Croatian
because I don't understand your comment ''Lovely''. 
Dear Dover, My English teacher deed not respond to my
request to explain the expression  ''hoop'' which you used
to explain the working of the ''tie back string'' by Ikeda Rex.
You also deed not react to my question as in case of
''wonder grease from Swiss watchmakers'' which seems
to work like ''holy water'' from (Dutch) New Zeeland.
I assume you don't like disputes? But I am a lawyer
and the question then would be how  they would earn
 their living without disputs? 
I hope you will be so kind to address both questions. 


Thanks Dover, Because of similarity with Decca I was not able
to see direct connection with the stylus by Ikeda Rex. My
simple mind assumed that this ''tieback wire'' was the ground.
Left and Right channels can be easily seen on your ''U shaped
 pipe'' so, one can ask, where is the ground ? (grin). 
The wonder greas you can enjoy by our newest improvement
or , as Raul would say, ''refurbishing'' of FR-64/66 . Curious btw
that you missed such important ''invention''.