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So, my post about the clickbait nature of some youtube video sites was removed.

I was not trolling. I was not baiting.

Let's think about this for a moment. This is a hobby that pays attention to reviews. They drive sales, conversations, and how we perceive audio itself. 

Therefore, it's relevant to an audio hobbyist site to discuss the kinds of reviews out there. A good, informative review can guide members toward new ways of evaluating audio and help them make more informed decisions. On the other hand, review sites which are inaccurate or even just hyperbolic in their reviews or in their titles also have an impact on how seriously we can take that site. In the case of YouTube, some members here think that it is YouTube itself that is at fault. 

So, this is a valid topic for an audio forum. I went to a site -- which shall remain nameless because critique is not allowed, I guess -- which is consistently saying that the latest review is the "best ever" or "the most ultimate XYZ ever" etc. This is the kind of hyperbole which, I am arguing, has a negative effect on other, less manic sites -- which I will not name, either -- the ones not trying to work the algorithms to garner clicks.

The post I made was a claim with evidence -- evidence supporting the claim that there was a hyperbolic quality to the site. That's all I did.

And then my post was taken down.

Let's analyze what has just happened.

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Those of you who read my post will realize that I did none of these things. What I did was call attention to a youtube site that -- I am claiming, with evidence -- tends toward hyperbole in their titles.

If this post gets taken down, then I think only one conclusion can be drawn about what has happened to "moderation" here.

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I think that Jay is very honest...Like the OP is also and his question legitimate ...

It is not the question...

I am honest also and i may use metaphor and hyperbole to communicate HONESTLY my emotion... All reviewer are not tailored on the same mold either ...

All reviewers  may be informative  and entertaining at some ratio...The best one will be informative and also entertaining... The success of Jay thread come from the balance between the two and the two tools, the objective one and the subjective one used equally...

It is why this is a "touchy" matter...

And being honest and he is , still he must "sell" his expertise and communicate his feelings...

And we as customer must take it with a grain of salt...

Nothing is white or black here...

But this was not a matter for censorship, even if i understand why for sure...

 

 

I never said they were right with the censorship...

In the opposite read me right... 

😁😊

To say the truth in a joking manner....

 

Maximun ignorance law:

The acoustic ignorance increase like the square of the gear upgrading number of successive choices in an audiophile life time and stay the same near this point of no return or complete forgetfulness of the room ...

 

 

This law is the counterpart of the acoustical optimization law:

The acoustic knowledge increase with the number of acoustical cues under room control....

 

i could not resist... 😁😊

I think you are right but you underestimate the power of some poster here...

Oldyvimec suffer the same fate in a harsher way...He is banned...No recourse...

This is commercial forum to favorize selling and buying...

Nobody doubt hyperboles qualificatives because everybody use them for his favorite and idolized piece of gear to promote it AS THE ONLY solution...

Nobody believe that acoustic and psycho-acoustic outway in improvement MOST upgrades and nobody believe that superioir hifi experience is possible at low cost...

People are hypnotized by marketing like they are by political propaganda and never listen to acoustic cues which is the only way to learn how to listen...Instead of listening acoustical cues they TASTE directly their gear like a wine .... 😁 They speak about mid frequencies, high and bass at best , their acoustic vocabulary stop there, they completely ignore what LEV/ASW ratio means for example and how to hear it....They have no clue how to control imaging and soundstage and timbre at will... They have no clue especially the richest one boasting about 100,000 bucks piece of gear...

At best they read audio magazine reviews, a lost of time and money, instead of a few acoustic and psycho-acoustic books or articles to learn acoustic OPTIMIZATION of what they aleady have which is good most of the time but working in underpar acoustic condition ....

But i think you have already guess all that by yourself...

Being a thinker you know that only acoustic and psycho-acoustic explain sound and his perception laws , not the gear alone and its design by his magical electrical virtue...

Recording technique begin with a room acoustic perspectical take trade-off and end in a listener room /speakers trade-off exhange for some ears ... It is an acoustic and psycho-acoustic translation more than an electronical " pure" impossible  reproduction...

 

 

 

😁😊

Many do not understand nuance.They equate all actions as one in the same. Kinda like the man who happens to sees a couple making love and calls 911 to report a rape. It should not be this way. But its a part of the divide and conquer strategy which has been taking place in our society for many years, IMO

it is impossible to understand imaging and soundstage without learning to listen WITH SIMPLE acoustic notions and experiments ...

I discovered that reading acoustic articles and consulting books..But more importantly by devising acoustic experiments in my room....

Audio threads are focused on brand name gear, the costlier the better 😁 ... This is why people are unable to give to themselves these acoustic experience AT WILL... The gear alone does not create the soundscape, we need to use acoustic...

It is more important to invest in a room than to buy 500,000 bucks system...

It is possible to create great acoustic even in a living room for sure...But it is more costly because it need to be esthetical...

i was lucky enough to have no money for anything else than basic good gear, and i had a room for audio...

Then i decided to create my own sonic paradise... I discovered the power of acoustic science which is more transforming than the choice between a Simaudio amplifier or a First watts amplifier for example...

Gear is secondary, pick the one your wallet can afford and focus on acoustic...

Most people owning a real good acoustic environment upgrade no more... 😁😊

Even though I had nice systems I didn’t know anything about sound stage or the typical audiophile jargon.

I will only add that for me the buying part of this hobby is a necessary part but secondary one ...

The main part is informing ourself...

For me acoustic/psycho-acoustic explain our sound/music experience, and invite us to learn how to listen by experiments, electronic engineering does not explain sound experience...And certainly not high-end brand name companies either...

Learning how to listen is the hobby...More than upgrading because we are unsatisfied and we dont know why...

The OP question is valid and interesting...

Most reviewers even honest one are sellers...

The Youtube agon reviewer the OP cited is probably honest, but he sells his "expertise" in agon and youtube...

about ultra high end gear ....

Then using hyperboles is, if not legitimate, easy to understand...

it is interesting to listen to him because who spoke about 100,000 bucks dac anyaway?

No one ... 😊

my dac value was 20 bucks...Its real value is 500 bucks...

i am lucky yes...

Those of you who read my post will realize that I did none of these things. What I did was call attention to a youtube site that -- I am claiming, with evidence -- tends toward hyperbole in their titles.

If this post gets taken down, then I think only one conclusion can be drawn about what has happened to "moderation" here.

 

i think the OP is right...

This site banned one of my friend. because of the pression of some seller working here probably...

It is anything but a free forum for sure, it is a commercial place...

 

By the way the whole point of my presence here is : "audiophile experience for the poor"...This is the title of my virtual system page 8 years ago...

I try to educate people about acoustic as the way to hi-fi, not 100,000 bucks dac...it was my journey to experiment with acoustic...

This is why i side with the OP on these questions ....Sellers inform but ONLY  to sells more...

No sellers ever said that acoustic method means more for sound than upgrade of gear...NEVER.... Save sellers of acoustic panels who anyway sells costly materials not acoustic experiments and acoustic control anyway...

Sellers sells...

Those who dare to experiment   inform without too  heavy prejudices....

Anyway sellers put their skin in the game of selling, those who experiment put their skin in the game  of sound quality improvement at low cost...

 

 

Sorry but here some criticisms are possible for sure but not against all business...

It is evident...All business are not equal...

Some Business are big contributor to this site.... This is why....

If you critic the wrong one good luck....

Now we know you’re joking, because this site is full of criticism of businesses and individuals in the audio world.