"politics is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
-Carlos Danger |
The guy "should be shot" for exposing a government illegally eavesdropping on its citizens?
Snowden is a hero. |
07-05-13: Rok2id
The two greatest examples of sticking our nose where it does not belong, are both World Wars.
First we provoke both Japan and Germany, then we help destroy both countries. Killing hundreds of thousands in the process. Mostly civilians!! Neither country ever did anything to 'US', to deserve our agression.
Interestingly, I don't recall reading about any European protest at the time.
I'm assuming that you were alive during ww2 by your last statement so take this with all due respect. We formally declared war on Japan Dec. 8, 1941, the day after they bombed Pearl Harbor. Within days Germany and Italy declared war on the United States as signatories to the Axis Tripartite Pact. I don't see how you can award the moral high ground to Hirohito, Mussolini and Hitler who were hell bent on world domination through any means necessary. |
Do you people that support the government illegally mining your private conversations and information remember J Edgar Hoover? McCarthy? What governments have done under the paradigm of "the greater good" has been pretty scary in the past.
Jingoism is a slippery slope. |
Dear Bifwynne,
Taking into consideration the handicaps of your occupation I will keep it simple and to the point.
I hope you have better support for your legal arguments than b-rate Cold War flick. Even the Russians wouldn't have driven around with hot warheads on the back of a pick-up truck.
Any threat requires an assessment to determine the real risk. The fact is we have lost a very small number of people to terrorism. We have lost considerably more in our reaction to this very small threat by going to war for 10 years. This has been a gross over reaction to a perceived threat. During that same 10 year period 6 million people have died from heart disease, 6 million from cancer, 1.5 million from respiratory disease, 1 million from accidents.
I haven't even addressed murders.
This "war on terror" can only be supported with a nice Hollywood production, because the facts sure don't add up.
If the U.S. Government wants to use undercover intelligence to cure heart disease or cancer or any of a hundred other things that are killing our citizens, I will let them put cameras and mikes throughout my home.
I do not want to give up ONE of our precious liberties that thousands of our people HAVE died for unless the threat is extraordinary and legitimate.
Factually speaking, your chances of dying at the hands of a terrorist are less than being hit by lightning.
We should all be vigilant protectors of every last liberty that our past generations defended with there lives.
Have a happy and safe Independence Day
God Bless America |
Our envious foreign policy has led us to most hated nation on the planet status. The only countries that tolerate the U.S. are on the payroll. It's like the Yankees finishing last every year. Do you think it might be time for a change in direction?
100 years of exploiting the planet through sheer tyranny. The billions of dollars we send in aid gets stuffed in some Saudi kings vault or a straw presidents pocket. Very little gets to the streets. Make no mistake people around the world hate us. Just look at Egypt, we have never been more reviled there. |
Check mark Macrojack.
99% of the people on this planet that want us and our next 10 generations to die a long and painful death would not even know we exist if it wasn't for our expansionist, meddling foreign policies.
Because we opened our shore to all oppressed people of the world which IS the greatest humanitarian effort in history, that doesn't give us the right to rape, rob, pillage and then set up a straw government (for future r, r, & p) anywhere we please. The politicians might tolerate you, the masses will .., well it's pretty obvious how the People will view us.
I apologize for bringing my observations that have nothing to do with the advancement of our hobby to this site. I will try not to let it happen again. |
Dear Nick_sr,
Thanks for a well thought out post.
I know our EU friends were none to happy with being the target of US espionage.
Politicians have been beating the terrorism drum for money and votes back to Bush Sr. Both parties are guilty.
The marathon bombing kids are a prime example, to shut down a entire metropolitan area and turn it into a police state for what? More people are killed and injured on the Boston highways every weekend. That was a mob mentality response that pandered to the police state crowd. |
Csontos,
You, and the politicos can play the "what if" game.
Those of us that evaluate risk for a living deal with historical facts as a paradigm for future events.
Just the facts please. |
Rok2id,
I am aware of 'lend-lease'. Britain would have surrendered to the Germans if not for it. France laid down as we know, before we could bail them out. |
"politics is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
-Carlos Danger
And religion is the first.
My thoughts exactly. Javier Bardem played both ends in "Goya's Ghosts" |
Dear Nonoise,
Shouldn't citizenship be a source of pride?
Deregulation has led to the election of Obama, can't be that bad. |
Mrtennis,
Stossel provides a unique perspective that you won't often find in today's media. Being a Liberterian, my views are much aligned with Mr. Stossel although I keep an open mind about every issue and try not to let politics influence the outcomes of my thoughts on those issues.
Several stories have been written on comparisons of the US history and that of the Roman Empire. The playing field is too inadequate to make any reasonable comparison. The world is much too different. Things happen much faster.
Snowden is not and has never been a spy. He was employed as an
intelligence contractor and has become a human rights whistleblower, a concerned citizen. Only when his safety was compromised did he flee. If he didn't leave when he did, we never would have heard the name Snowden, he would have been locked up so deep in Guantanamo you would not have heard from him again.
I'll rep at an earlier post, Snowden is a hero. I hope he lives to tell the truth.
p.s. his odds for living increased greatly when he flew to Hong Kong. |
Csontos, I don't know what you are questioning but your last post was one of the craziest I've read. If your not willing to start with facts the rest is noise. Zen,okay, but in the meantime, how long are you willing to wait for the facts? History waits for someone to write it but it doesn't know who it is until it happens History is the factual recording of past events. |
