Analog vs. digital

Weird to have this discussion in 2022. Should be obvious digital is a far superior formar. Should also be obvious that the final recorded product is far more important and why we often prefer the vinyl version. Then again what poorly setup vinyls systems are covering up other flaws :-)

Audiophiles can't handle the truth though, that's why most don't even try to get to the bottom of the issues they perceive they are having. Strange hobby. It's like running a 12 second quarter but telling yourself every day you ran a 10.5 :-)

I don't even understand what you are talking about. Digital can't get a single note right, or even a silence.

I assume that was sarcasm.

That is quite the imagination @monacousticusa 

I am assuming K for the dollars, but what I can't figure out is why the post after it was removed. Not mine, but I don't remember it being contentious. Sarcastic maybe, but are we adults or not?

It's 2022. We shouldn't be discussing the merits of digital any more. Current digital will recreate any audio waveform, note, etc. better than any analog recording format we have. It's not remotely close. No one with any respectability in electronics will question this. It just is. 2022 people.  There is a reason no one uses analog recording and I don't just mean audio.

There are many who think the world is flat too, like really believe it. That does not make them remotely correct. People much smarter and knowledgeable have shown the world is not flat just like they have shown repeatedly that what comes off a turntable or tape machine is not remotely as close to the original signal as modern digital. Sometime we just have to accept that what we believe is wrong.

Unfortunately here, I have no idea if you are being serious or sarcastic. :-)

Yes they are a waste.

Engineers and scientists vastly more knowledgeable on this topic than them (or me) all call it a waste.

White paper in consumer audio are just marketing fluff. If they made a real difference they would publish measurements that show a clear improvement in end products. They don’t publish those measurements. Why is that?

Many DACs are already operating within a few db of their chip vendors theoretical limits. You think they are improving on that? Do you think you could hear a difference at those limits?

And if you believe it. Prove it with your ears. Should be easy .... Just proven can tell two servers apart .... No looking though.

You build servers commercially?  You implied that in your post. What company?

@mijostyn ,

I can only assume that people reject the factual reality because they do not understand in enough detail the measured values and what they mean, coupled with auditory perceptions that reinforce to them what they already believe.The inability, in this case, to do rapid side by side comparisons continues the belief.

People often reject scientific facts due to their inability to fully understand the information available to them. Our recent "world problem" illustrated that, but many other examples abound that result in incorrect fringe views. My ears, my eyes, my interpretation of data. I regularly get told "how batteries work" by laypeople. I design them for a living. I just shake my head. That didn't happen so much in semiconductors in general because most people have so little experience that even offering an opinion is not possible.

There is yes differences between analog/digital, but they are minute one compared to the difference between an ordinary living room and a dedicated acoustic room

@mahgister In this respect I total agree. The other far more significant difference is in the recording itself. If there are a vinyl and CD release that are exactly the same, I am not aware of it. Of course even if there was, there is so much variation in turntables from each other and from optimum, that a direct comparison would still be difficult without testing the turntable system for operation first. Sorry naysayers, that will require test equipment.

@mijostyn   Knowledge scares some people. What scares people even more is knowledge that others possess that they do not. Rejecting that knowledge is a defence mechanism.

A lot of that so called etching is too lively a room that they then fix with a soft analog system. They take an aspirin when they really need antibiotics.

Realistically what flaws?