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Analog experiment

Hi everyone. Some of you will remember my post from a couple weeks back about trying out vinyl. My dealer setup that old AR for me and I listened to it for a while and then listened to the same records on a new Pro-Ject RM 6 SB with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 cartridge. I liked the Pro-Ject better so I took it home for an audition in my system.

I borrowed some basically new LPs from my dealer's collection. Most of them are the 180 gm. "audiophile grade" limited editions. I got U2 War, Eagles Hell Freezes Over, John Lee Hooker, Pink Floyd DSOTM and REM Document. I was familiar with all these and own the CD counterpart of each album for direct comparisons.

I carefully setup the turntable making sure it was level. My dealer has been selling turntables for decades so I trust the other adjustments. I used the C42 to level-match the outputs of my Sony C333ES SACD player and the Pro-Ject, again for fair direct comparisons.

I listened to each album on its own on the turntable and then I went back and played the Sony in parallel. I switched between the two sources from my listening chair. In this case, I would keep the turntable 40 seconds ahead of the Sony so every 40 seconds I could hear the exact same passage in digital form. Hearing memory is short so I kept the interval short. I also made longer comparisons to be sure of my thoughts.

The bottom line is that the Pro-Ject didn't sound any better than my Sony. They had exactly the same tonality and soundstaging. On DSOFTM in SACD, the Sony was virtually indistinguishable from the turntable. I couldn't believe it. This is the first time I can't hear a reliable difference between two different components.

With other records, the turntable seemed to have a slightly more extended and weightier bottom end. But then the Sony had slightly better definition so it was a wash. After these tests, I see no reason for me to go with vinyl. You think maybe the phono stage in my C42 isn't good enough? Or maybe the turntable should be a better one? Well then, I am even less interested in vinyl if that is the case. The Sony costs about $350 these days.

I am sure some of you will be upset with my decision but I have to say I was excited to try it out and I kept my outlook totally unbiased. I loved the looks of the Pro-Ject and my dealer has an awesome collection of vinyl for sale at really good prices so I wanted to tap into that. But I don't see any reason to do that now. Oh well!

Arthur
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artizen65
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Arthur,

I like your testing methadology.

I have heard that the Sumiko Blue Point cartridges have a CD sound. Don't know if I agree but with my setup my vinyl and CD are very close. I enjoy both formats.

Vinyl Project RM4 with a Sumiko Blue Point cart into the onboard phono pre of a Musical Fidelity A308 integrated using Synergistic Research Kaladiscope Phase I active cables.

I put my modest vinyl rig up aginst a Theta Digital Data Basic II Transport connected to a Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista 21 DAC with a Synergistic Reaearch Digital Corridor Phase II Active cable. Using a SR Kaladiscope Phase I active to the MF A308 integrated.

I have about 150 albums that I collected in the later 70's and early to mid 80's. These are the only reason I even decided to go with a vinyl setup.

IMHO if you have no need to go with vinyl as in the fact that all of the music you want to listen to is on CD then stick with CD and don't put your self through the trials and tribulations that a vinyl setup brings.
plinko
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Aball, I'm going to have to disagree with what you said. I think you will have a much easier time finding better mastering on vinyl, as opposed to cd. Secondly, in theory, I think I might agree with your findings although I have never done similar tests. Discounting software, I think at low spending points, digital is probably just as good or better. Move up past $1K and it's a whole different ball game (or, even a few hundred more from your spending point for the especially crafty).
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Used Lp's = $1 at my local Record Exchange.
Used CD's = Lots more than $1

Lots of music for little money.
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ozzy62
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I agree with Dan. Why not add another format to your system. I listen to digital and vinyl and enjoy both. More often it is records I turn to, but that's not to say there aren't numerous seedees that I love as well. If you don't spend another penny on your analog front end, you will have a cheap source of good music that you cannot find on CDs or SACDs, and by your own admission it is the equal of your Sony. So what's the downside for you? More good music at bargain basement prices is definitely the upside.

Oz
pawlowski6132
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I've re-read the same advice from folks on this thread and others that sounds something like this, "If you're on the fence about going vinyl and you don't have a big collection, stick with CD." I just can't understand why people say that.

1. It's very easy to find LPs and your potential to get 'em cheap is huge.

2. You'll have access to lots of music that wasn't releaed on CD

3. It sounds better. Isn't that what this is all about? I don't recall anyone saying don't buy a SACD player unless you have a large collection of SACDs already. Or, Don't buy that DVD player because you already have all those VHS tapes.

I don't get it.
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