Analog experiment


Hi everyone. Some of you will remember my post from a couple weeks back about trying out vinyl. My dealer setup that old AR for me and I listened to it for a while and then listened to the same records on a new Pro-Ject RM 6 SB with a Sumiko Blue Point #2 cartridge. I liked the Pro-Ject better so I took it home for an audition in my system.

I borrowed some basically new LPs from my dealer's collection. Most of them are the 180 gm. "audiophile grade" limited editions. I got U2 War, Eagles Hell Freezes Over, John Lee Hooker, Pink Floyd DSOTM and REM Document. I was familiar with all these and own the CD counterpart of each album for direct comparisons.

I carefully setup the turntable making sure it was level. My dealer has been selling turntables for decades so I trust the other adjustments. I used the C42 to level-match the outputs of my Sony C333ES SACD player and the Pro-Ject, again for fair direct comparisons.

I listened to each album on its own on the turntable and then I went back and played the Sony in parallel. I switched between the two sources from my listening chair. In this case, I would keep the turntable 40 seconds ahead of the Sony so every 40 seconds I could hear the exact same passage in digital form. Hearing memory is short so I kept the interval short. I also made longer comparisons to be sure of my thoughts.

The bottom line is that the Pro-Ject didn't sound any better than my Sony. They had exactly the same tonality and soundstaging. On DSOFTM in SACD, the Sony was virtually indistinguishable from the turntable. I couldn't believe it. This is the first time I can't hear a reliable difference between two different components.

With other records, the turntable seemed to have a slightly more extended and weightier bottom end. But then the Sony had slightly better definition so it was a wash. After these tests, I see no reason for me to go with vinyl. You think maybe the phono stage in my C42 isn't good enough? Or maybe the turntable should be a better one? Well then, I am even less interested in vinyl if that is the case. The Sony costs about $350 these days.

I am sure some of you will be upset with my decision but I have to say I was excited to try it out and I kept my outlook totally unbiased. I loved the looks of the Pro-Ject and my dealer has an awesome collection of vinyl for sale at really good prices so I wanted to tap into that. But I don't see any reason to do that now. Oh well!

Arthur
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Showing 3 responses by jyprez

I am not too surprised with your findings. Unless you are certain that the LP's were pure analog originals or well done analog remasters then all you have is a digital recording on an LP which will sound like a CD with some surface noise. I my opinion (and I recognize others may differ significantly in this view) not much good vinyl was produced after the 60's so even the pure analog stuff of the 70's doesn't hold a candle to the 50's and 60's. Yes, there are some truely well re-mastered recordings in the 90's to today but as many have pointed out, even Classic Records and the like can be hit or miss in quality. On the other hand, I could play you an old original Blue Note, Prestige or Savoy etc. LP from the early 50's that would blow your socks off compared to the CD.
Arthur, you are right in realizing that you must find the right pressings to get the analog sound. It is difficult (or easy but expensive) to put together a good vinyl collection today that allows you to enjoy the advantages of vinyl over CD. Believe me, (and countless others on Agon) these advantages are real but if you are starting from scratch, the biggest problem is software not hardware. Ebay does afford a vast collection but you will pay dearly for the most sought after LP's. On the other hand, there are hundreds of nice LP's for under $10. It's all a question of where your musical tastes lie and what is the best way to satisfy them. But remember, the best analog rig in the world will not make a digitally mastered LP sound anything better than a CD.
Pawlowski6132, I would agree there are lots of cheap LP's out there but in my opinion Arthur would not find most of them to be of satisfactory quality (i.e. low noise) Dofferent people have different tollerences for this but a very well cared for '50's LP generally cannot be found at the local Salvation Army LP bin and costs big bucks on Ebay.
As to hearing the differences between LP's and CD's many posters above were right on the money with their advice in my opinion. You can't do this with 40 second sound bites. Put on an LP or CD and then think about something else like what you need to do that day. If after 15 or 20 minutes you find your toes involuntarily tapping and your fingers snapping - that's the real deal - ignore all else.