Amplification for Denon 3802 for 2-ch listening


I'm just getting started in the home theatre / mid-fi arena, so please bear with my ignorance... that's why I'm researching here.

Current Setup:
I recently purchased a Denon AVR-3802 for home theatre use, based on a friend's recommendation. I got a good deal on it, and I like the processing features for HT. That purchase has started a snowball effect. I then decided to upgrade my speakers, and I took a quantum leap up to B&W CDM 7NT's for the fronts, the CDM CNT Center, and a used set of CDM 1SE's for the rear surrounds. I also have a REL Q150E sub coming next week (I know it's a little small for the 7NT's, but space was an issue with my wife, and it seemed pretty powerful when I auditioned it at a local shop). My source components aren't that great, and I will be upgrading those along the way. I have a cheap DVD player, and an older Sony ES CD player. I did buy decent quality interconnects and Canare star-quad bi-wire speaker cables for the whole system.

Question:
I'm relatively satisfied with the sound of the system for home theatre (although it does seem like I have to crank up the volume to about -15db on the receiver to get the full effect), but I don't think I'm doing my speakers justice for music listening with the Denon powering them. I'd guess my usage of the system is about 65% music, 35% movies. I'm looking for recommendations on an amp or amp / pre amp combo to improve the performance of my speakers for music (and home theatre, if possible). Does it make sense to use the denon as a preamp for music, or should I take it completely out of the loop and only use it for HT. If the latter, how do I do this, and what features in the preamp should I look for? I have a budget of $1200 for this (I'll buy used gear).

Thanks, and sorry for the long winded question.

Scott
scottwebb

Showing 2 responses by dklap

I found myself in exactly your shoes not so long ago, but with a Denon avr-3300. For improving 2 channel, start by adding a two channel amp to drive your front r and l speakers. In denon's set up menu, you can adjust the levels for each speaker individually. Use the test tone option and a sound level meter (can get one from radioshack for cheap - i think $30-40) That way, you can equalize the volume levels of all of your speakers and there will be no no issues with a more powerful amp powering your mains. I found that adding better amplification to the denon significantly improved the quality of the audio.

From there, you can get a higher end stereo pre-amp with a home theater passthrough. The front speaker pre-outs from the denon would go to the pre-amp, and the pre-amp outputs would go to your new amp. When using two channel, the denon stays off, your two channel source goes directly to the new two channel pre-amp, and you're in business. For home theater, you turn on the denon, use as usual, and have the new pre-amp in pass through mode, letting the denon control everything, as if the front pre-outs from the denon were connected directly to your 2 channel amp. Your denon can handle all of the processing and remaining amplificaion for ht.

After a few purchases of used multichannel amps, I ended up with an Odyssey Stratos for my fronts, and used the denon for powering my center and surrounds. Then I added a Chiro C-500 for the center and surrounds. Still looking for either a new processor to add 7.1 processing or a good deal on a pre-amp with ht pass thru. The denon is solely being used as a pre-pro. Lots of people recommended an adcom gfp-750 preamp for 2 channel. If you are happy with your current ht, buying a 2 channel power amp and a stereo preamp with ht pass thru is the way to go.

Anyway, I'm writing a novel. Start with a good 2 channel amp for the fronts, and move on from there. Good luck.
mdominick -

there is definitely an improvement with the center and rears being driven by the chiro instead of the denon, but for theater, using the denon's amps was more than satisfactory when using only a 2 channel amp for the fronts. if i wasn't looking to update to a pre/pro, i would have been fine with just the denon running the center and surrounds...if theater needs are totally secondary to 2 channel, just keep the receiver, add a good 2 channel, and get a nice pre-amp with ht passthru. i'm updating the denon b/c i want the surround rears, which the avr-3300 does not have. i got a good deal on the 5 channel amp, so now i hve to buy a processor. thinking about the rotel rsp-1066. anyway, for 2 channel, that pass thru option is the way to go. you can also get a nice pre-amp w/out the passthru, but make suer you calibrate the channel levels with the per set to a specific volume so the levels will be correct everytime you watch theater. good luck

-dan