Amp and Pre-Amp suggestions needed


I just picked up what will hopefully be my end-game speakers. They are TLS-1's based on the old Ohm F design, produced by Dale Harder of HHR Exotic speakers. I will probably share more in a separate speaker thread later.

It's become readily apparent that my Rogue Cronus Magnum III integrated is not cutting it with these speakers. 

I am looking for suggestions on a tube-pre and solid state amp separates that will drive the TLS-1's to nirvana. 

Here are my must haves:

- I want tone controls (treble/ bass)
- Again tube pre
- SS amp
- At least 150 wpc
- Want to keep my spend under $5k (new or used)

Yes, I already have Dale's recommendation, but I'm looking for other points of view here.

Thanks,
Joe
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@mofojo  I am doing both analog and digital.

@jjss49  Can you tell me what is meant by line stage? I am not opposed to using the Schiit Loki as I have heard good things about it. 

@unsound Dale recommended a preamp like a Conrad Johnson PV-12 and the amp was an Antique Sound Lab Hurricane mono blocks.

As to the rest of your post, I really have no idea what impedance load and phase angle are. Their sensitivity is rated at 89db. Dale says the more power the better and that he has clients using 300 and 400 watts per channel.
 
My rooms are small like 13' x 11'. Preferred musical genres are Jazz, Pop, and Fusion.

A good friend of mine also has the TLS-1's and is using Vincent separates with great results. 

Any thoughts on how their gear stacks up to other similarly priced offerings?

Thanks all,
Joe

Thank you all for your input and suggestions. I've taken it all in and in speaking with Dale, I think I'm going to go for the Parasound A21+ power amp. 

I will also probably go for the Parasound pre. It has tone controls and balanced inputs which I can use coming out of my Mytek Liberty DAC. 

I'm also in agreement with @stereo5  and @jjss49  about tone controls. I'm 50 years old and have been a drummer all my life. I know I have some degree of hearing loss in the upper frequency range. Using the tone control, like a little salt and pepper, I think would be a good thing. 

I am still open to suggestions on a good pre amp. Tube or SS. Let me know. 

Thanks again everyone!
Joe
Quick update: A local audio retailer that I have a relationship with has agreed to let me borrow a Parasound A21+ power amp and the $1600 pre, I don't recall what the name of it is off hand. He also mentioned another popular option was to have the Parasound power amp paired with a Rogue tube pre. 

If I like I will purchase both from him. 

Thank you all for the great suggestions and discussion. Much appreciated. 

-Joe
Hey gang,

I wanted to provide an update on this thread. When I first got the speakers home it was readily apparent that the Rogue CM III was not up to the task.

The only other amp in my possession was a 75wpc Belles Aria Integrated. Although it sounded really good, it was considerably less wattage than what Dale recommends to drive his speakers. It worked ok except I had to turn the volume knob up a little more to get to desired listening levels.

Step forward to last Saturday. A local retailer let me borrow a brand new Parasound A21+ and Halo P6. And although I didn’t commit to purchasing the units, I still felt some obligation to buy. Well, the combo sounded completely lackluster. There was no life in the sound, no air, no attack. Simply put, the combo left me flat and unengaged.

I spoke to Dale some more, and his philosophy is that the preamp is the heart, soul, and personality of your system. That got me thinking....The Belles besides being an excellent integrated also has Preamp out and Amp in jacks. It can be used as a pre alone, a power amp alone, or an integrated together.

I took the preamp out from the Belles and connected it to the unbalanced inputs of the A21+. BAM!!! There was the magic!!! More attack, more air, more bass, way better soundstage. I was completely engaged.

So, my opinion is the Parasound A21+ is a good bit of kit. But the P6 may not be up to the task in some systems, certainly not mine. Perhaps it’s a case of a piece of gear that tries to do too much? In addition to being a pre-amp it also has tone controls, bass management, home theatre features, a headphone amp, a phono pre, and a DAC.

I will eventually get the preamp that Dale recommends, a Conrad Johnson PV11 or 12. In the meantime I will continue to use the Belles as a pre.

Side note: I’m not even missing tone controls, the sound is that good!

Thank you everyone for you valuable input and suggestions on this topic. I certainly learned a lot.

Cheers,
Joe
For those that are interested, I have uploaded a picture of my listening room with the new speakers but without the new amp, to my profile.