Am I Bad Listener?


Let me say from the outset that I love audio gear and I love the sound of mid-high end audio. But here's the thing ...

The only part of a system that I can hear a real difference in is speakers. In my system over the past few months I have tested three different amps (a 30W tube, a 150W SS integrated and a 200W SS amp plus a bi-amp configuration), a tube preamp, no preamp (direct to amp via DAC with volume control) and most recently a bunch of different speaker wires (my original Audience Maestros, a DIY Home Depot 10 gauge concoction, Anticables and two other sets of very expensive wires borrowed from a local dealer - some bi-wired & some single with jumpers). Oh, and a series of different IC's.

With the possible exception of the insertion of the tube preamp, I can't really tell much of a difference regardless of what I do. I have had similar experiences at dealers. But switching back and forth between different speakers I can hear huge differences.

I think my system sounds really good but is modest by comparison to many on A'gon - Olive Musica, Benchmark DAC, Minimax Preamp, Meridian G57 amp (sometimes switched for a Classe or Prima Luna) - so maybe that's it. In a modest system the effect of switching components or wires just won't yield huge sound changes. Or maybe I just don't hear in a very detailed manner.

I spend a fair amount of time reading posts here and people claim to have genuine sonic revelations by switching an interconnect or a tube or piece of speaker wire. I love buying the new stuff and giving it a try but I just don't seem to ever hear a sonic revelation and end up re-selling it.

Does anyone share my experience or is there something this sad, pathetic audiophile is missing?
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Does anyone share my experience or is there something this sad, pathetic audiophile is missing?

A lot of the gear you describe is intended to sound correct so it should sound extremely close (often hard to identify in a double blind test). I share your experience that speakers make the biggest difference. The nest biggest thing for me is room acoustics. I am lucky that the vast majority of mid level amps and entry level CD players sound good enough to me. There are differences as you go higher in price but I find that these differences are dwarfed by differences between one recording and another.
And, of course, power handling - notice I mention under 95 db. Over 105 db and below 45 HZ there is a huge (very huge!) difference between 5k speakers, 10k, 15k and 20k.

Absolutely agree. A $5K mid range and treble sound can often be as good as $20K or more...the differences being almost negligible. Not so for the bass reproduction....this changes dramatically. Although an entry speaker with much effort put into heavy bass reproduction (to impress) often fails in the mid range miserably (compromises go in the mid range in order to produce a reasonable price speaker with prodigious bass).

You should note that once you are around 4k to 10k for a system, the improvements in 'under 95 db sound' and for 'sound above 35 or 45 HZ' - improvements tend towards more limited and relate to the kinds of adjectives I've mentioned versus sounding fundamentally different.

Fully agree. I would actually say however that there is tremendous improvement in the ENTIRE bass...harmonic distortion from playing ultra LF is a HUGE problem in the bass and it is simply very costly to keep it at 1% levels or less. Cheap bad bass at 30 Hz is WORSE than a speaker that rolls-off at 80 Hz.

My problem is that when I hear a difference, I can't say if it's better. Usually, there's give and take.

Exactly. Apart from the obvious tangible improvements to play correctly at more realistic sound levels a lot of differences at high end boil down to slight coloration here or there. The law of diminishing returns certainly applies.
"this whole stereo sounds like crap" with a CDP really bad. (1989 Circuit City Sony or something)

Yikes - I am in your crap category. I have way more expensive CDP's in storage but my tin ears failed to hear a significant difference; simply a slight difference rather than even a modest improvement.

Now I am in panic mode and got my thirty 100 dollar bills out and I'm ready to commence self flagellation!

I am off to Ed Meitner's tomorrow...now that will hurt my wallet ;-)
My electricity comes from burning natural gas - so it is pretty clean souding compared to those of you on coal!