I can get the treatment for the low $20.00 range, depending on how many of you participate.
The Hubbell I bought last time were hospital grade in Ivory color, green dot face (indicating special ground) in all copper construction with (Nylon?) face.
I paid $15.98 for mine, and unless quantity lowers price, or there has been an increase, the total for outlet and treatment should be about $36.00 including shipping for treatment and back.
Shipping expense to each member depends on weight, method of shipment and insurance. As a reference, my postal scale read four ounces for a single outlet.
As to treatment, this is deep immersion cryo at NASA, not a gas treatment. This is the same treatment applied to several products you guys are already impressed with. |
Any of you that have a preference for other brands can forward your outlets to me and have them included in the group. I offered the Hubbells because they are in my system with this same treatment and I love the sound.
As often stated here at Audiogon, your mileage may vary or your opinion may be different.
If so, pack up your Arrow, Leviton or whatever your favorite is and send it along to be included. |
Everyone who has responded with a quantity on this post or by email, totals 40.
I think this is going to work. I will contact the supply house tomorrow and verify stock.
Any other interested members, please verify how many you need via email, and don't forget an address that is good for FedEx ground, which I will probably use. |
I got a lot of confirming emails today with agreements to send payment to make this purchase.
Those who have not yet responded by email, please do. My response is the same to everyone and you get my address and a copy of the ship rates.
Orders need to be based on prepayment. That way additions (or deletions) will match only what people need and have paid for.
The next issue is when to set as a cut off date.
Set too far in the future, early respondents will wait longer for product. Set too short, mailed payments may not have arrived in time, stranding some Audiogoners who expect to be included.
We need an open vote and agree openly and to all, as to a fair date that payment must be received by me.
Then the project will proceed on a schedule known to everyone ! |
Thanks Sean and others who have suggested cut off dates. Two to four weeks came to my mind too.
On shipping, my FedEx rate charts were my start point. FedEx labels can be generated on line and printed from my computer. Tracking numbers would allow us to track orders, and insurance is reasonable when compared to USPS.
Maybe Halloween should be the cut off. It's beyond the two week mark and a date everyone remembers.
If everyone showing interest has responded before then, perhaps I should announce here at this post and move on with the project. I would like to turn it in a reasonable time so it remains fun and hassle free. |
Drubin, the weather this time of year in Texas is pretty humid. Even though it was a couple of days travel for the outlets to arrive after treatment, they were still cool to the touch.
Possibly some condensation formed, and the Hubbell factory cardboard box may have sluffed off some debris during shipping. There is no harm in using Deoxit or ProGold to make them look nicer. I have even heard of manufacturers using food grade spray silicone to dress up product before shipping. |
I wanted to remind everyone that I promised the cut off time for orders would be Halloween.
I think everyone who said they wanted to participate has already responded, but I will wait a few days to be sure no one is left out.
Thanks to all who wrote personal notes to me. I really appreciate the kind remarks. |
I will email both Eric (Mephisto) and Tomryan with information and let them decide if there is time.
Please understand that the cut off date was announced here at Audiogon as Halloween. This is to be fair to all those who have paid their money and are now waiting for me to proceed.
Any payments not received by the cut off date go into a second run (if enough people are interested) or payments returned.
I hope everyone understands. |
This is now officially closed, please do not send any more payments.
If there are enough people, maybe there can be a round two.
For now I must get the local distributor to fill the order based on today's order count and ship them off for treatment.
Thanks to all you Audiogon guys and girls for making this successful. |
Here is a progress report for all that have participated.
I contacted Hubbell about two weeks ago and ask about the variation in specifications for the 8300HI (20 amp Hospital grade, Ivory color).
I have samples of three versions, each have high quality construction with same electrical specifications, but are constructed from completely different materials and plating and various ground strap designs.
Not commonly known, there is a special version of this outlet that is ALL copper construction, including the back strap, mount ears and current and ground clamps. This particular version has NO plating whatsoever. It is 20 amp, heavy construction and true Hospital grade and is marked as such.
I had a brief argument via email with a manufacturer that told me these were in fact plated, and even though I had a sample, I could not convince him otherwise.
I now have everyone's outlets in hand as of 4:30 this afternoon and they ARE NOT plated. I did have to UPS in a special order, as these were not in stock at any supply houses in Dallas.
I will ship everything Monday the 11th for treatment, and will post here as soon as I know the turn time for the immersion tanks at NASA to complete the process.
Thanks to everyone for remaining patient with me. Needless to say I am excited that the quality of this project is absolutely on target. |
The shipment of cryo treated Hubbell outlets arrived here Wednesday, November 20th in the afternoon. I finished labels and print outs via FedEx on line very early Thursday AM.
Everyone's shipment will go out at the same time, Thursday, November 21st. I'm hoping several of you will receive your shipment by Thanksgiving.
I have a print out of all ship data by my computer. Anyone not receiving their order in a reasonable period, please email me for your tracking number. Those who included their email addresses with payment are already linked to FedEx notification system . |
The Porter Port........really like the sound of that.
For more than ten years now, my CES badge reads category RETAILER: "PORTERHOUSE Dallas, TX."
CES exhibitors always look at badges of whoever is visiting. When they read mine they always smile and ask,
"PORTERHOUSE.......is that REALLY your store name?"
I say, "Yes, and we steak our customers to a good deal."
You can hear eyes rolling, even over the music demos. |
I resisted commenting because I wanted to give other Audiogon members an opportunity to post their results without my input. I had a huge head start on this project as my outlets were installed months ago when my sound room was completely rebuilt. It was about 45 to 60 days when my outlets showed NO additional changes in break in.
A few years ago I cryo treated the transformers in my Soundlab Ultimates. The break in period took over 7 months. At one point I completely gave up on the project. I ordered two new back plates from Soundlab in anticipation of having to dispose of the cryo treated ones. Just as I was ready to pull the plug, in the weeks that followed, changes came about in the function of the crossovers where they literally blossomed to life. There was almost unbelievable transparency and balance and the bass finally came back. If not for all the members in my audio group hearing and agreeing with this sudden change, I would doubt myself, especially after all that time.
Considering the benefit received from my cryo outlets, in a (relatively) short break in time of 45 days, they may be the biggest bargain in my system. Equal in some ways to expensive cables and power cord swaps.
Your experience with break in is not out of line with mine and your comments may benefit those who face break in of other cryo treated products. I know of no product that cryo treating does not screw up at first, regardless of type or application. The worst ever was a Benz moving coil phono cartridge. That experience would be a thread in itself.
It will be worth it, just needs a little more burn in time. (Luckily not 7 months). |
