After market Motor + Belt drive for Verdier


I have been looking to upgrade my TT motor and belt drive for some time now. I use a Nouvelle Verdier and its only sore point is its motor and silk thread drive. It is not bad, it gets the job done. The sound is neat and in general non-offensive. However, when I used a 0.25 inch magnetic tape (reel to reel) to drive the platter the overall sound became more dynamic, voices sounded younger, instruments sounded happier. It was as if the pitch of all the instruments became more realistic. But then I also heard more of the irregularities of the motor rotation, the timing of instruments messed up a little. The background was no more as clean as the thread drive.

This told me two things:
1. Silk thread is good but it affects music in a way that makes the performance a bit sleepy.

2. The stock motor is not good enough to accommodate a tighter coupling with the platter.

So, I am now looking for after market motor and belt drive solution. I looked at Teres motor but for that to work they require a sensor to be placed under the platter but my TT doesnt have enough gap between the platter and plinth to place the sensor. I am looking for some viable suggestions here.

A friend of mine suggested me to consider a flywheel between the motor and the platter which will absorb the motor irregularities. I dont know if it is worth a try because I see many good TTs do not have a flywheel, that means a good motor is all I need I guess but I am open to the flywheel idea also.
pani

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Pani,
What platform do u use under the Verdier
I'm just about to set mine up.
It's older Granito model
Teres motors have been used by a few Verdier owners. I spoke with Teres myself, and they confirmed, and highly recommended this option.
The only caveat, is that you will need to attach a strobe light to the plinth and a template to the bottom of the platter.
They also recommend Verus rim-drive motor even more, than any of their own belt drives.
Marty t,
when using the battery- did you convert the motor to DC first? And how exactly did you do that?
I'm looking at battery power for my Verdier, as well.
Do you know by any chance, waht is the record weight, that is featured on many Verdier pictures websites- looks similar to yours- tall SS cylinder with some LED lights at the bottom?
I have Micro Seiki ST-10 weight, but it doesn't fit the Verdier spindle, which is larger diameter, than my Technics Sp-10
I have m maple rack, that I'm going to try first. Though the size of the top shelf doesn't allow for the pulley-to-spindle distance to be more than 12"
I'm thinking about using wall-mounted shelf just for the motor, it'll be big enough to try various distances b/w TT and the motor
And I'm waiting for 10" GrahamPhantom Supreme arm delivery
My cart is Dynavector XV 1S with Ruby Soundsmith cantilever
Pani,
I would like to know exact the same thing. In my investigations so far, I have found the following options:
Teres- various models, belt, or rim-drive
Galibier-
Red Point-
Battery PS option for stock Verdier motor by Graham Tricker
TW motor and speed controller.
Also various threads (linen, silk, floss, etc.) options for the stock Verdier motor
All of these options are fairly expensive- appr. $1000- 2500, maybe even more (with the exception of Tricker's battery option, which I don't know how much $$$)
I'm not sure about a degree of improvement, those upgrades will afford over the stock motor.
Doc,
I remember you saying, you've been using one. Could you tell how much $$$ is it approximately?
You could do it privately, of course.
I would also like to know, how it compares with the stock motor?
Tx
Let me ask an original question differently:
Wouldn't it make a significant difference, to use a high quality motor controller, such as Walker Precision controller for instance, with stock Verdier motor. Would it be a better performing option, than a battery driven Verdier motor?
There is also a way to convert stock Verdier motor to DC, posted on Callas website. I'm not sure that will accomplish the same improvent, as GT PSU
Thank you Pani,
That line is not braided, is it?
How soft is the line, comparing to the silk thread?
Another idea- Walker Audio recommend 2-4 mm silk belt for their Proscenium Black Diamond TT, they supply the belt with the TT
I'll contact Lloyd Walker, who happens to be a member of out local Audiophile club, with some questions
Best
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That's a weight, I was referring to
Thekong- you are right, looks exactly like Gyroscope.
Do you know who sells it, and how much $$$?
Ct
That's the same Gyroscope in Wurz's system
Live and learn...
I understand, that Walker controller would do little, if anything for Verdier motor, which is essentially a DC motor, and Walker is intended for AC variety.
Now, is there a controller, that would improve on Verdier built-in controller, and better yet, can be run by a battery?
Mosin,
it seems, that challenges of building an "universal" motor controller will be enormous, but how about making it more specific? To build one, that's intended for DC motors only? (little selfish, isn't it?)
Mosin,
reading your original question again, I do think, that there is a market for a stand alone controller/motor/belt combination. And why wouldn't it be?
One could use this package with ANY belt driven TT, right? Did I get your question correctly?
And a controller in this case shouldn't need to be overly complicated, since it will be designed to be used with a specific motor, that will be a part of the package.
it's not going to be compatible with ALL belt drive TTs, due to the diiferences in platter mass, the height of the chassis and platter, etc., but still...