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Thanks for the assistance everyone. So here's the real moral of the story. How could any high quality speaker cable at any price maintain its integrity unless it were connected directly to the internal crossover or source? Almost every speaker is going to have an additional foot of internal cable or wire connecting the crossover to the internal speaker terminals that the end-user doesn't see. Psychologically the listener doesn't see this and so they make up their mind that the cables made some change to the sound. My speakers had some 14 gauge copper wire inside the cabinet, so why would any higher quality speaker cable make any difference? In essence, every speaker has an extra foot of wire that isn't going to be the same as the cables you bought. It would only be as good as the weakest link, wouldn't it? |
spenav and overthemoon, I agree with you both. No doubt there are speakers with good internal wiring. Could be the opposite situation in some cases like you’re indicating. I’m just merely pointing out whether or not the cables can remain faithful for either case if there’s two different cables. Thank you for sharing. |
I genuinely don’t know what’s wrong with using zip cord and maybe someone could elaborate a bit more on that, but I will tell you all that Allen Sides who’s a masterful technician and very highly regarded used some Home Depot cable that he discusses here and suggested it.
https://youtu.be/w3k9tLzrZGQ?si=Yb66307Oad_5UovJ We decided to use the same cable from Home Depot in the link below, and received criticism until we showed them who suggested it.
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audphile1,Just like any other cable denier you continue to try and stir something up.
I’m good with your honesty and I’m not completely in disagreement that cables can make a difference, just so you’re aware. For example, I recently had a situation with some idle hum which was occurring because of shielding issues with a particular pair of RCA cables. I used a better shielded pair of RCA’s and the idle noise was removed. With regard to the demos, I also agree that certain good tracks like Malia can disguise what speakers are doing. You can see I also discuss it here. https://youtu.be/K29LPl9LF4I?si=Nb4REIWUw8OSa3z_ I also don’t disagree about some issues I had with how the 1.7i’s sounded which you can also see I shared here. https://youtu.be/6ZIPehgRBpU?si=a-9orchXR7Uwvgyf There’s nothing wrong if audiophiles would like to spend some bucks on some nice looking cables, I have a couple buddies who do, however, you have not answered my comment and I don’t think you can come up with any answer to this question. Even if the cables were $20,000 as you asked, how can they be faithful if they are plugged into a speaker terminal that has about 1ft of Monster cable behind it? Here’s a video that may resonate better with your ears. |
To the others, thanks for sharing your comments and experiences. audphile1, The term "faithful" is nothing new in audio. It's been used countless times in HiFi for decades. This is obviously a term you took for granted and/or are not familiar with. Google it and see for yourself. It can represent various meanings.
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In this case, the "cables" themselves. You're straying off topic though, and I'm only discussing the genuine nature of your theoretical $20,000 cable scenario. Of course components, rooms, etc will affect sound and we all should know that. Theoretically, nothing is going to present the original format, nor does it necessarily need too. The way I presented the OP was intended to weed out whether or not the assumptions of premium cables may be getting taken for granted or not. It was not intended as clickbait as you suggest and if you still feel that way, then don't click on this thread. No one is holding you hostage here. Audioholics did measurements and listening tests here. https://youtu.be/kR12Ttuxobs?si=rWYi5zfQJY1TepcU I use simple 14 guage copper wire with a total cost of around $25-$50 and find that it works perfectly fine because I don't believe I can hear a difference. This doesn't mean enthusiasts should feel wrong or bad because they bought some expensive cables. It's fine if they would like to purchase them. My BIGGEST concern is exactly what "pcolvin" mentioned to you about my comments which is..... ”how can they be faithful if they are plugged into a speaker terminal…” Hence the question. In my opinion, the $20,000 cable would somehow need to go straight to the crossover or source, whatever that is. Theoretically if a person produces a dragster with X amount of power but uses a tire that can't handle that X amount of power, then theoretically, how can that true X amount of power be grounded in order to launch off the line properly? It's just common sense. It's the "principle" of the matter about what is it that a fancy cable is being plugged into. Most HiFi enthusiasts do NOT see what's behind speaker terminals and therefore may often take it for granted. |
jl35, I already addressed the reason why I asked the question in the manner I did, so your comment about a troll is your own trolling. Your first response was “don’t do it” so obviously you didn’t know you were already doing it yourself, you just didn’t know it, just as countless others don’t. Sometimes the manner in the way a question is asked is to keep the other persons response as genuine as possible. If I’m a private investigator chasing a suspect and I’m questioning a witness who claims they saw the suspect and I ask the witness if the suspect was about 5’7” when I know the suspect is actually 6’4" and the witness says....No, this guy was over 6ft, then I’m far more likely to believe that the witness’s answer is genuine. The other possibility is maybe you were concerned I might damage the cable in which case you mentioned that too in a later comment, but then again maybe you didn’t know there’s a safer way to extend a cable using specific adapters. I’ve only been into hifi for about ten years while I’ve been into telescopes for about 35 years, so it’s very easy to spot bias with observers and telescopes when I see it. The problem is that I never knew how much real bias there was until I got into this HiFi industry. That’s because I’ve already listened to gear costing ten to a hundred times the price of my own and in countless cases, it doesn’t sound any nicer or even worse, doesn’t sound nice at all. I have a DAC that costs eight times as much as the one I normally use and I actually prefer the lower cost DAC for certain reasons. This may not always be the case, but it can often be the case. If a person is comparing one component to another and they already know what the component is, this can often influence or bias the listeners opinion before they even hear it. I have failed many blind tests. There’s many YouTube videos where very experienced listeners fail blind tests too. When YouTube HiFi videos first started coming out, they were complaining about how the magazines were sellouts. The Youtube channels are often even worse than some of the magazines were because many are desperate to monetize their channels now. Again, it’s fine if some listeners want some premium cables. I’m just wondering if some listeners genuinely know what they’re actually hearing. There are often cases, depending on what the gear is, where I genuinely hear differences, so hopefully others don't get me wrong. |
lordmelton, I like how you worded that.