Active isolation; what can it do for music reproduction?


i was involved in a thread about stylus drag on turntables where my use of active isolation came up. it was asked for me to discuss my views and use of this approach for system optimization. i mentioned it likely needed it's own thread to do justice to the topic. here it is.

excuse me if i get too basic here to begin with. i've not seen this subject discussed in depth on Audiogon before.

active isolation devices use piezoelectric sensors in 6 axis to sense resonance and piezoelectric actuators in 6 axis to compensate for that resonance. in essence it's a feedback loop of read and compensate. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric_sensor

passive devices are more or less springs to one degree or another. springs float, settle and overshoot. active devices are relatively stiff; 500 times stiffer than passive since they can STOP and START. passive can't stop and start. you do see passive devices with automatic leveling, but otherwise they can only act passively as a spring. 

an example of an active device; the Herzan TS Series;

http://www.herzan.com/products/active-vibration-control/ts-series.html

the limitations of active devices are mainly as follows; 

---they are only really effective under 200hz.
---in stock form they typically have signal path corrupting switch mode power supplies.
---to be effective they need a solid base. which means a solid rack grounded to a solid concrete floor. suspended wood floors, or non-solid racks are going to compromise the performance.
---the gear being isolated cannot have it's own self resonance that might excite the active sensors. and not every piece of gear will benefit from active isolation. so active is very system context dependent. you can't just use it anywhere and expect a particular result.

there are very very good passive devices that approach what an active device can do; the Minus K, Stacore platforms, and Vibraplance are three popular examples. i'd recommend investigating these before considering any active devices. those examples do need the same solid floor and rack as active to be effective.

and another consideration is a passive isolation rack; the best example i can give is the Artesania decoupling rack systems. likely the best passive rack. again; a solid floor is going to allow the Artesania to perform at it's best.

finally; there is a website tutorial which can really get granular with deeper levels of information on active devices for those interested. 

http://www.herzan.com/resources/tutorials.html

lastly i will say that active devices are something you consider when you've mostly done everything else you can do and want to take things further. cross otherwise impossible thresholds of performance. you have a system that is where you want it to be. active is the bleeding edge. it will allow the music to escape the confines of resonance in a way nothing else can do. it's just physics.
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in systems where the floor substrate is ~6" concrete slab the vibrations from the speakers through the slab and over to the equipment rack (10+ feet away) are likely much less than the acoustic vibrations impinging on the same equipment rack (and individual components)...correct?

>>>>>Correct

If this is true, the "Iso acostics"-type (not picking on Iso Acoustics) products under the speakers are not expected to improve anything--best case. I’d be better of trying to drain vibrations away from the electronics...correct?

>>>>>>The spring type devices under speakers would still reduce unwanted cabinet vibrations. It would be better to isolate the front end electronics AND drain vibrations away. Isolation is a two way street, so isolating the front end will kill two birds with one stone. The concrete slab is not inert since very low frequency vibrations will produce vertical motion of the slab.
Just popping in to point out the way the Townshend pods or any spring type device work is primarily to prevent mechanical feedback from the speaker cabinets to the rest of the system via the floor. The pods do this exceptionally well since the lowest frequencies generated by the speakers are well above the point on the curve where mass-on-spring systems like the pods are 99.9% effective. Iso systems are two way systems. 🔛 It doesn’t do much good to prevent floorborne vibrations from coming up to the speakers since the speakers generate so much energy of their own. The secondary benefit of the pods is too reduce cabinet resonances. No, speakers are not (rpt not) like musical instruments. 🎻
There’s something called design height for airsprings and air bladders. It has to do with the idea that it’s not really floating that’s the key, It’s that the mass-on-spring isolator creates a mechanical low pass filter. In order for the best sound to emerge from the speakers there has to be the correct internal air pressure in the isolators, based on load. So, generally there should be more pressure than less pressure. Simply getting the component to float is probably not going to be the optimum pressure. Air escapes through the rubber fabric of the isolators so one much check internal pressure from time to time to maintain pressure and level.
Yes, I have been following the developments. While it’s very nice that active devices are available, it’s remarkable just how far you can go with passives. Plus we had to start somewhere. Ha ha I can isolate an entire system with 2 Hz performance for about two bills. By devices are now pure springs, make things simple. I’m rather fond of the passive Minus K, at least in concept. I also like what Townshend is doing for speaker isolation.
Hats off to Shannon Dickson for his landmark article on vibration isolation and for his suggestion to attach a large auxiliary air canister to my single airspring Sub-Hertz Nimbus Platform via the air fitting on the airspring, thereby making the relatively small airspring think it was a great big SUPER airspring.
Whoa! What? There it is again - double blind testing! I did not see that coming. 👀 Is there a full moon?
Speaking of capacitors, I encourage people to use Marigo VTS Dots or cork to dampen vibration of Capacitors, in fact I’ll go as far as to suggest isolating the entire printed circuit board PCB in components from vibration, especially vibration of the large Transformer, which is direct coupled to the chassis. This is important even if you have isolated the component on an iso stand.

The way to isolate the PCB form the transformer is to remove or at least loosen the screws holding the PCB to the chassis. Also loosen all bolts holding the Transformer to the chassis. Use thin natural cork squares or slices as shims between the PCB and the chassis. Use a thin cork sheet or viscoelastic sheet underneath the Transformer. Cork can be gently wedged between capacitors in capacitors banks. If anyone needs some natural cork, I’d be happy to send some free of charge for these porpoises. 🐬 PM address.
Three things. Isolation platforms are not (rpt not) limited to 200 Hz. The way they work is that as vibration frequency goes up so does isolation effectiveness. Thus, for a 3 Hz passive platform the effectiveness at 10 Hz is about 50%, at 20 Hz about 90% and over 30 Hz at least 99.9%. Passive devices have a 6 dB per octave slope for the mechanical low pass filter. It follows that the lower the Fr of the device the more effective the isolation will be throughout the frequency range (of the vibration). The low pass filter has a hyperbolic function.

Two, as we now know from the Townshend speaker passive isolation video on YouTube, mass-on-spring iso platforms reduce vibrations on the platform itself, including those produced by acoustic waves. So, the iso platform is a two-way device. 🔛 As I’ve oft pointed out the top plate of the iso device can be damped using one-way devices to improve the evacuation of energy from the top plate.

Three, the audio signal is affected by vibration wherever you find it, wiring, capacitors, printed circuit boards, electron tubes, transistors, power supplies, power cords, fuses, etc. Therefore isolating as much as you can - everything - has it’s advantages
For informational porpoises 🐬 only,

The description of the various isolation techniques used in LIGO, the Mother of all Isolation Techniques, 

https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/vibration-isolation

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
Give me the right spring and I’ll Isolate the world 
Passive isolation gets a bad rap. If you take a gander at the various isolation techniques employed by LIGO the project to detect gravity waves, most of the methods of isolation are passive, and fairly traditional mass-on-spring isolation. And the challenge for LIGO was much greater than for scanning electron microscopes, inasmuch as the gravity waves have an amplitude on the order of a diameter of an atomic sub-particle.

Much of the effectiveness of isolation for AUDIO lies in the “black art” of how one implements the iso system....everything matters. How the component is mounted on the iso stand, how the iso stand is mounted, the material, shape and direction of the cones used to mount them. How many components are isolated. One common mistake is allowing cabling to exert “pulling forces” on the iso stand, degrading the isolation effectiveness. Speaking of cabling, cabling should all be isolated using fishing line or rubber bands, which are passive devices. With a little ingenuity you can accomplish as much with $1 worth of rubber bands as you can with a $17,000 iso stand.