Is the Lampi 7 substantialy better than the 6?, and what dacs are inside, what tubes are inside, does the power suppy have a tube? |
Paul79, Now that I think about it, I believe you are spot on with the kind of sound I am looking for, I have listened to some units with the 6SN7 tubes before, The Big tone tube, If the CBS 7318 sounds similiar, that would be a winner for me, I will message you, any one else got some preferances for tubes that has worked for you? thankyou. |
Thankyou wisnon for your reply. |
Jafox, Hi,may I E-mail you about tubes, I have talked to you briefly before, however, I believe you can help me considering you have told me before that tube rolling has a more profound effect than power cables for a system, I want to try out what you are saying, if it turns out the way you say, I would be for ever grateful of your help, cheers. |
Hi SKsos1, I say exotic power cords do a system profound, if you get the correct match of a power cord, I was lucky enough that I got such a profound match, I believe Jafox about tube rolling, and I will be doing so, However, I would be estatic if it turned out that tube rolling to some really good tubes had the effect he is speaking of, that is why I am wanting his addvice, he must know about some really good tubes to get to better some of the best power cords out there, you think?, I want to find out, I assure you, I am batting for Jafox to win this, much, much more cheaper with best results always wins! |
Gentleman, the funny thing here is that BOTH the Mullard 10m tubes and CBS 7318 are very incerdibly difficult to find period!, I have spent the better half of all day talking to vendors of tubes, these tubes mentioned here are RARE, cheers. |
Sksos1, I admitt, I am afraid to go down what could be an endless Rabit hole of tube rolling!, I love my sound now!, however, I have followed Jafox's post about tubes, so Steve, what do you think about this? I have a 6z4 recetifier tube in the power supply that is vintage American, how or why this came stock in my vincent player is baffled me,it sounds great, the problem with that tube, there is no replacement for tube rolling, so I will have to go back with the same there, but following Jafox's tube exsperience on the threads, I learned from him that a good tube for the 12AU7 tube replacement is or could be the RCA 12BH7 Red Label tubes, or the 12BH7A Black plates tube, and I suppose the Telefunken 12AX7 tube for the 12AX7 tube replacement, unless any one has a better idea for the 12AX7 position?, Steve, I have incredible Bass and treble extention with the stock tubes now, I would be angry if I lost that part of the sound, I have read that some tubes can have you loose bass, My player has only one chinesse tube inside stock, the other tube that came in the player stock is a harmonix tube and then the American 6z4 tube that I do not know who made the tube?, cheers. |
Hi Jafox, your last post is how I compaire audio, great recommendation your post is, but I have been doing this along time, and your post is how I do things, funny though, I really do not have much tube exsperience, so your knowledge is most welcome if you care to share?, Thankyou Jafox. |
Matt, I appoligize for the off topic post here, However, If you do not mind, I wanted to take advantage of haveing alot of the Audiogon seasoned audiophile in one place! |
Hi Paul79, I have heard of the CBS 5814 Hytron tube for the 12Au7 position, However, Ralph of Atmashere audio said that this tube does not always work here, because it requires more power and possibly could harm a unit, so I kind of took that off my bucket list,I have not heard of the CBS 7318 for the 12AU7 position, very interesting!, you are saying that you prefer the Mullard 10M over the Telefunken tubes for the 12AX7 position?, have any of you listened to the RCA Red Label 12BH7 tubes for the 12AU7 position?, I know Jafox has said that he likes this tube before,cheers. |
Thankyou Matt for youe permission for the off topic discussion, great feed back on the ODSE you mentioned as well, that is very good that your impressions of the ODSE are still intact after the loaner unit left and the one you own has taken you back to where you want to be, digital is one of the most difficult challenges to achieve a particular sound to me, so many flavors, most are always missing something, I know this is for your system, and the ODSE may vary on different systems, you did your search right matt, congrats on your ODSE, cheers |
Is it possible for any low signal tube to have it all?, likly not, It is probably like anything else, A balanceing act?, Grannyring, I enjoy your insight, and I follow your postings, what do you believe that will retain profound bass without looseing it in a tube cd-player, and that will improve the sound stage to come further in the room without being to forward sounding?, keep the bass and treble incredible that I have now, but improve the transparency and presatation of the sound stage?, the tube positions are 12AU7 and 12AX7, and 6Z4 recetifier tube?, any one may chime in please, thankyou to all. |
Rja, Really?,$1,000.00 for a pair, this does not seem feasable,considering If I paid that for the 10m's, I would not be able to find more, and I really do not believe any pair of tubes is worth that kind of money!, cheers. |
Let me ineterate what i am saying here, if there was a supply to last the next 10 years of the Mullard 10m tubes, I would pay the asking price for them, now from what i understand, a good all around transparent 12au7 or 12aux7 tube is the Amprex tubes, maybe some 5818 tubes?, something like that, Ralph of Atmasphere was telling me about some Amperex tubes that was not bugle boys, but better. |
Thankyou Paul79, I will get in touch soon, great read on the 12ax7/12au7 tubes, so to get an idea of what you like, whats your favorite small signal tube for sound quality? |
let's hope you do not say you like 6h30 tubes, LOL!, those are the worst sounding tubes, I do not like any russian tubes for that matter, always an imeadiate in your face sound with a small sound stage, some may like that sound, garbage tubes to me! |
Hi Winson, That is exactly what I do with my Tube digital, Run it straight to the Stereo Amplifier I have, you can get a really good active pre-amp that will work well, However, My exsperience is what your post said, most, but not all pre-amps smear, add haze, and slow the timeing down compaired to what I am doing, I know, I know, get a $10,000.00 pre-amp or a little less, that will do the trick, mmmm, yet to hear one that does not add their own flavor of sound to the mix! |
Paul79, I still would like to know your reply on my above post to you, thankyou. |
Grannyring, Hi, Did you roll your 12AX7 tubes?, If so, what did you use in the position? |
Thankyou for your reply Grannyring, It seems that My tube conversations over the last year have always had the RCA tubes highly revered, was it the RCA 5751 Black plates for your 12AX7 tubes? |
Matt, you are a real gentleman!, most would get nasty for me changeing the topic on their thread, To tell you the truth, The tube topic here is for my tube digital player, so in a since, this is about what is the best tubes for tube digital!, so it's not that much off topic, I look forward to all your post, you did agree that tube rolling is a Rabit hole, this is very apparent, I do not have definitive answers here yet, other than tubes that are very rare and exspensive, you see them, then you do not, and they are so far into yester year, I will call them Ghost tubes! |
Thankyou Paul79 for all your input, what is a good cost alternative to the tubes you recommended for my 12AU7/12AX7 tubes for my player,I like deep bass, transparency, Big sound stage presatation, NO forward presatation!, texture on the mid-range, and top end sparkle, look forward to your reply, BTw, that Plasmatron is a speacial unit, go to vh audio web-site and take a peek at it, I have known about that for a very long time, cheers. |
Hi Paul79, you do have a very valid point, and I may just get these tubes any way, If you do not mind me asking, How is it that you know so much about tubes?, maybe you should disclose what audio company you have and what you sale, none of us mind, I have looked a couple of places for the mullard 10m and the CBS 7318 with no success, the couple of places is well regarded as having the real mccoy tubes that most people are looking for, and they have extensive testing equipment, an example of such tube dealers is Andy Bowman of vintage tube services, and another is Jim cross of vacuumtubes inc., and Jim Mcshane, just to name a couple out there, I admitt though, I have not talked to Andy Bowman yet, could not get him on the phone, LOL!, so I do not know what he has or can get, paul, you seem like a good guy, but from what I have been told about the tube market, you can never be to carefull!, who knows, we may still do business on some tubes you sale, you have been very good to me here shareing your knowledge of tubes, that my friend does go a long way with me, cheers. |
audioengr, Hi steve, do not laugh!, when you said a player you are going to make is DC-coupled, does that translate to a tube digital player?, thanks steve. |
Bifwynne, what was so very impressive to me about the DEQX you just bought is the FACT of they used public addresse cheap speakers at the biggest audio show in 2012 and got Best sound at show award with this unit!, coming from the likes of Stereophile and the Absolute sound as being astounding, would make any decent speakers sound way better than the over priced speakers I have exsperienced in my life time!, is this a game changer?, possibly, I may buy one myself, and the good news is, It is a pre-amp too! |
Thankyou Audioengr for your reply, I believe in direct coupled componets, I have one now that I am happy with, I look forward to your new componet offerings that you are working on, currious, what is the usual shelf life of a componet you offer?, you know, how long do you sale a model before you come out with newer better?, cheers. |
Thankyou Steve, That is really good that you are doing as much as you are, really incredible to be one man, you seem to be setting in the high-end very well with your products, congrats are in full order here for your achievements! |
Wisnon, my amp I have now is class A Dc-coupled, strange, I did not realize what audioengr was saying, LOL!, keep me posted on all that you are doing, I enjoyed talking to you on the phone, you are very,very, knowledgeable of high-end audio!, you have my respect, cheers. |
jwm, do want to try the CBS 7318?, paul has them!, pricy, the same price as the mullard 10m tubes, cheers. |
mmm, now you talking what I would likly appreciate Alex-APLhifi, please elaborate more on this DSD-M Dac, your discription sounds quite pleaseing, I'm sure all of us would want to know more, since your mid-line DSD-S dac done so very well in this shoot-out, cheers. |
Hi winson, I agree with what you have said, however, keeping up with this thread for as long as I have, I do find that I have alot of the same tast for sound as matt does, cheers. |
steve N, that is an interesting post about re-break-in of a componet. |
Matt, Any report on the Esoteric K-01 player? |
I was concerned that this thread was going away, as I watched it go down further off the forum page, I am pleased to see this thread return!, matt, It would seem that you have had adequete time to report on the Esoteric K-01, unless the importance of the report means nothing because you may have not liked the out come and sold the unit? |
FWIW, I tried to talk about tubes for tube digital products here, was going quite well actually, untill someone believed this thread should be only about solid state Dacs and asked us on this thread to stop, mmm, we should have not, that was some very interesting talk and I learned alot more from that then these dac conversations! |
Matt, ok, I am going to do it, Told you so matt!, all those that undermined me to look like I do not know what I was speaking about earlier in this thread when I said how many hours the Esoteric K-01 player takes to do total burn-in of this unit, one word, Fxxx oxx!, do not ever doubt me again!, as you can read what matt is doing for hours of burn in for this unit, I am absolutly correct! |
Matt,I am sorry for my prior post, but you remember when those few posters bashed me and tried to make me appear to be a fool, and question my exsperience as a well seasoned audiophile when I told everyone on this thread how long the Esoteric K-01 took for total burn-in of the unit?, the above post is only directed to those who belittled me, Not to anyone else, they know who they are,they deserve what I said to them above! |
Thankyou matt, I wanted you to see it, cheers. |
I believe music servers are the future, I agree with Agear +1! |
congrats mattnship, I did all my wireing to my system, no need for a electrician if you have sence!I have the same set-up a you do, it works!, however, remeber, though a dedicated ground for each circuit does sound better, doing so will not flip each breaker on this scheme when problems occur, thats why it is not code! |
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+1 with Ctsooner, that is the way to build an audio room, all Natural!, no over kill and unnecessary room treatment's that cost alot of money, I have seen $100,000.00 treated rooms that did nothing for me, the spectral, MIT, Avalon, licensed room at Progressive Audio in Columbus, Ohio in the mid 90s. |
Hi agear, interesting, please tell me what a ionic earth ground is?, I know what dedicated earth grounds are, and shared main earth ground is for entire home, pardon me, I never heard this term before, BTW +1 on your post concerning room trearments, seen this, done all this, most sounded like mausoleums!, I suppose everyone has to learn from their own mistakes in audio, we all do, the never ending merry go round. |
Hi matt,Thankyou, That is big numbers for the views indeed, I personally have enjoyed your thread, going off to all the other topics has taught me a few things as well, like the topic of tubes for digital sources for sure,would be great to hit back on that topic, cheers. |
great review Jon2020, I suspected that the out come would be as you exsperienced of the Esoteric K-01 player, let's see if matt comes to the same conclusion? |
Hi Matt, you must be knee deep in your listening room project?, I was hopeing you may have more feed back on your Esoteric K-01 player to post here? |
Hi Matt, that is exactly why I did all my electrical!, Ha, he, ha, it's one thing to take bashing on the net, in person, they will be asked to never come back!, you are doing a fine job, congrats my friend! |
Hi, I thought I would put a giant killer for digital on this thread that all of you should check out and comment on here, although many of you may scoff about the name brand?, The Yamaha cd-s3000 sacd player/Dac $5,999.00 retail!, very interesting specs and cosmetics, given years ago exsperience with Yamaha, I bet this would kick the crap out of some bigger name, much more exspensive equipment out there, you think? |
Hi Guidocorona, That is exactly where I seen this Yamaha ad,In the music direct, and the intergrated amp on the same ad pages is special too at $6,995.00, only 90 watts per channel, I say why not Yamaha get into our maket nitch?, my exsperience with Yamaha back in the 80's was a R-100 reciever that I use to own that was incredible with vinyl play back, it had mm and mc phono pre-amp built inside, and I am telling all of you, I know sound, to this day, that was the best reciever I have ever heard in my life time, for what it was, there was no better! |
Hi Steve Nugent, It is an Honor to speak to you as always, Yes, I am serious, Yamaha is playing ball in the field of High-end audio now, check out this ad in music direct or the Yamaha web page, the Yamaha cd-s3000 sacd player/dac is built very good, I was impressed for this to be yamaha! |
