Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD


Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp

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Almarg, it works. Thanks.

Why don't they just add new posts at the top? Is it just laziness?
Can you elaborate on its ability to do DSD? Can it do double or quad DSD, which seems to be the way digital is going?
Bill_k, DOP needs computer time to convert back to DSD, that latency means more processing time. It is much better to keep DSD in DSD. It is true that it is all just math but DOP require more computation and choosing what to do with in-between numbers.
Wisnon, yes I know that but the computer has to unpackage the DOD that increase latency and as you say it also has a low limit.

Having heard a quad DSD recording at the RMAF, my quest is on.
Mattnshilp, I think much depends on the companies with master tapes. I have heard that SONY with the bulk of master tapes and very concerned with them deteriorating, is going to transfer them to quad DSD. If they do so an make down loads possible. The questioning is over.

Having heard a quad DSD violin recording at the RMAF, I can say most ardently that I would get as many of the SONY tapes as possible. I have also heard several DSDs made from SACDs and played as double DSD. Here too I will seek as many of these as possible.
All I can say is that the rooms that have been mentioned were not among those that impressed me. I liked the PS Audio and German Physics rooms most. Both of these in the past did not impress me, but they turned the corner this year.

I had one Jeff Rowland first amps in the early '80s. It was very good at that time. His venturing into the class D amps turned me off.
Guidocorona, yep, I listen with my ears. I have heard probably 20 different class D amps and can always hear that edge. I own three different amps now. Two are class AB with one running pretty hot, The H-Cat X-10, and the other at about room temperature, the LSA Statement Plus. My other amp, the BMC M2 monoblocks, I have never heard their classification. I continually switch between the H-Cat and the BMCs. The LSA has just become a backup.

I was so fascinated by the quad DSD recording in the German Physics/Merging Technologies room that I've forgotten their amps. Whatever they were the sound was great. If it was class D, I will eat my words.
Mattnshilp, well I certainly would not think you would want to introduce "magic pixie dust" to start a discussion. I have limited experience with anything you introduce and some of which I have never heard of. All that I have ever owned of these products is an IsoTek balanced power unit. It gave me a hum when I used my turntable. It was basically the absence of a ground at the root of this problem.

I have had about 15 different line conditioners dating back at least ten years, ranging from isolation transformers, filtering systems, magnetic filtering systems, and regeneration units. I had some of the Shunyaya equipment in my system but none that I ever bothered to buy.

As always, I find little to discuss as everyone hears differently and has different tastes. But I must say that I find no power cords that challenge
the High Fidelity power cords and that the obscenely expensive "Pro" or clearly the best. With these power cords, I hear more detail as they are so quiet. They allow a holographic presentation.

Finally, I think any dac that cannot play quad DSD will long endure.
Aplhifi-usa, by "built-in attenuator" I assume you are speaking of a tiny device that controls volume rather than a pot. If so, in my experience such devices are nowhere near a quality pot. My BMC has such a device and sounds much superior when set with it out of the circuit and the pot of the Koda K 10 used. Maybe, however, I am wrong about what you are using.
Mattnshilp, I have tried a very full range of room treatments and only found one that works very well and as a plus also is relative unobtrusive. I need to premise this by saying that both of my rooms are largely symmetrical. One is a 18' wide, 25' long, and 11.5' high and the other is tiny 10' wide, 13' long, and 8' high.

In the large room I have electronic isolation, LEDE, Tubetraps, Roomlens, RPG diffusers, acoustic mirrors, Harmonic wall dots, Syn. ARTS, etc. Most improved some problems, but most also had liabilities. Then I read a post by someone here on Audiogon about Zilplexes from the Netherlands. I got a set and initially was disappointed but learned that the one of eleven pieces that went on the ceiling was crucial but I had been unable to reach given the high ceilings there.

When I later used all eleven properly in my small room including the one on the ceiling, I was dumfounded as the room boundaries vanished! I returned them to the large room and managed to reach high enough to install the ceiling unit. Again I was struck by their benefit.

It is hard to understand how eleven 1/2" silver hemispheres sitting on three points on acrylic wall mounts can do what they do, but do they work! I think now that you have to order them directly.
Guidocorona, I have been involved with a pro guy in Canada for some years now and have had success with a heavily modified Mac Mini using JRiver MC 21 for a digital sound that easily surpasses what I ever heard on a cd player. I was playing double DSD files from SACDs and many cds ripped to my hard drives. Initially, he had made the Mac Mini think it was just iTunes playing but then Apple made the Mac Mini into a device that could run Windows 8. The later version moved to running the Mac running Widow 7.

Now he is seeking to reduce the latency of the computer, which entails abandoning much of the conveniency of iTunes or typical JRiver MCs organization. I have or had a new music server and managed to hear one cut before losing control of it. That cut was so outstanding and only rivaled by a quad DSD recording I heard at the RMAF that I am hoping to get the server back soon with some conveniences added. Both the one cut that I heard on this server and what I heard in the German Physics room quad DSD cut, were different than analog sources, but clearly their equal. Transient attacks were quite striking and bass control, realism, and extension were awesome.

I think that quad DSD is the wave of the future and that 44.1 and cds will be gone soon be gone. I really hope that my friend can get me a low latency music server with some ease of use. I'm also hoping that SONY makes their quad DSDs available in that format.
Ctsooner, I fully understand your position. I've been at this since the late 1960s when I taught at Florida State U. Tallahassee had about 50,000 people and three stereo dealers. Then there were about five manufacturers of electronic components few power cord makers, no rack makers, etc. And virtually everybody had an AR turntable although Linn was coming along.

So one had few choices but many opportunities to hear them first. I remember going up to Dallas to hear a new amp by a guy named Jeff Roland. I was very impressed and bought one and it was cheap, but I cannot remember how much. I think about $2500!

I have noticed as I am sure you have too, that dealers are a dying species. I expect that very soon you will find them only in NYC and LA. So you had better buy now.