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A Great Deal on Audiogon

There are currently a pair of Avantgarde Trios for sale on Audiogon for(a mere)$13,000. While this is a lot of money for a speaker it nonetheless represents a terrific deal for the dedicated,(reasonably insane) audiophile. I thought I would bring this to the attention of any folks contemplating an upgrade to their stereo or those who might just have a passing interest in them. Let me say at the outset I know nothing of the owners and have no connection with the sale of them. I am just surprised they have not sold. Because I own a pair of these and am intimately familiar with them I thought I would pass on some of their benefits to interested parties. If you have heard the Duos or any of the other AG speakers and are thinking they sound similiar, they don't despite their similar pedigree, not even close. They also do not sound like horns in a "shouty" sense, if anything they are a bit mellow. They have the micro and macro dynamics one associates with highly efficient drivers but they also have a number of other advantages that a lot of speakers lack. I will just be brief and list some of them and leave it at that. They are not very room sensitive, and sound quite good in a smallish room despite their size. They are not placement sensitive within reason. You can just shove them up against a wall, tow them in a bit and you have it. While they beam a little, less than most speakers, their wave launch is large enough that you can move fore and aft without collapsing the image. They are not particularly amplifier or cable sensitive. No need to spend megabucks on an amplifier although to my ears they sound best with tubes. The bottom line is just how good they sound with a minimum of investment in upstream accouterments. I have rarely lived with a set of speakers more than two years and not started "looking". The longer I have had these the more I like them. I'll say no more.
lubachl

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theloveman
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Keithr, you make the salient point--no subs included in the price. The seller is selling the subs separately for another $7K taking the price to a mere $20K!

The speakers look to be in fine condition, and with subs, $20K is not unreasonable, but, IMHO, it isn't some kind of a steal.

Lubachl, I'm the Trio owner that Hifimaniac referred to in his post. Indeed, your experiences with the Trios is quite different from my own (though I do agree they tend to sound better with tubes and that you can listen to them nearfield if set up appropriately). Perhaps you have a room that, for whatever reasons, is complimentary to your Trios. Either that, or you are a lot less critical of their sound than I've been. It has taken me years to get them to a state of respectability. I find the Trios are extremely revealing of anything and everything upstream.

Don't mean to be contrary, but that is my experience.

Dean
theloveman
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Knghifi,

I'm using just one pair of the CTRL 230s. Bass integration can certainly be problematical with the Trios (and the Duos), but the Trios can be crossed over at a lower frequency than the Duos, so I feel the bass integration is respectable (though certainly not the best I've ever heard).

Avantgarde has a new line of subwoofers that replaced the 230s like mine, and they do sound much better (at significant cost). Nonetheless, once you get the setup right on the 230s, they integrate quite nicely. I've found that (in my room) the best setup is when the woofers are placed outside the Trios, immediately adjacent to the flare of the lower midrange horns. This placement seems to allow for near perfect time alignment between the woofers and the lower midrange driver at the listening position, and this greately improves the perception of bass integration.

There are some advantages to having four (or more) of the 225s in some applications. For example, you can use a lower crossover point for one pair of woofers vs. the other pair. In this way, you're able to achieve greater bass power in the lowest bass (all eight woofers are working in unison) and have only one pair providing most of the output in the upper bass. I've also found that multiple sources of bass information tends to break up room aberations.

The Trios lower midrange horn is specified to be 3db down at 100 Hz, but in most samples of the Trios, this spec doesn't hold up. As such, you will need to find a higher crossover point for the bass to integrate, and this split arrangement with four woofers is often times the better solution.

Dean
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