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A few questions about DAC basics

I have been making a few upgrades to my system and a friend suggested that I consider a decent used DAC as a good upgrade. He was not really sure if my CD/DVD player could use a DAC. He has very high end equipment and has separate transport/DAC etc. Guess he hasn't slummed it with off the shelf integrateds for awhile:)

Here is my system:

My system is:
Denon 5 ch DTS receiver (1801)
Parasound 1000 hca amp for the fronts only
RBH Sound 61SE fronts
RBH 661SE Center
Polk Audio S6’s for rears
ACI Titan Sub
Pioneer Elite DVD/CD player DV-C36
DH Labs T14 silversonic speaker wire
Tekline TL 2000 RCA interconnect from the Denon L/R preouts to the Parasound amp
Glass Toslink digital cable from Pioneer to Denon

My first question is can I add a DAC to this system?
I am assuming that the Pioneer d/a converter is what I am using now when I play CD's.
I have coax, optical and regular RCA outputs on the Pioneer.
Presently using a Glass Toslink to the optical in on the Denon. The Denon has two optical ins, a digital coax in, and several RCA analog pairs in, as well as additional Ext. in for 6.1.

My second question is more like several and I apologize if it is too simplistic. From reading these forums it seems that an external DAC is connected from a digital output from a CD or DVD player and then has outputs that go into the preamp, or in my case the Denon DTS receiver. Does the DAC connect to the preamp via analog in or digital in to the receiver?

I am also assuming that the DAC handles the digital signal in such a way as to improve or expand it? I read stuff about upsampling, etc and it sounds very interesting.

Another question I have is what happens when I am playing a DVD? This is where I start to get confused.When I am playing a DVD right now, the Pioneer sends the DTS or Dolby Digital signal to the Denon for processing into 5.1.
Does adding a DAC still allow this process? I mostly listen to music, but still want to watch movies in 5.1 dts or DD sometimes.

Finally, is this a reasonable upgrade for this modest of a system, and do you have any suggestions for around 3-500$ used?

Thanks for your input and patience. I have improved my system quite a bit from the info on these forums and appreciate the expertise here.
lkdog

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mraybeck
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Lkdog,
I must caution you against buying a new DAC for your system. My return to 2-channel audio was through home theater, so I went through a similar process to yours. I enjoyed watching movies, but my primary focus was music, so I wanted to improve my 2-channel (music) performance.
Unfortunately, budget-minded receivers like your Denon AVR-1801 do not have an analog bypass circuit. In other words, your new DAC would output an analog signal which would then go into your receiver. However, the receiver converts all incoming signals back into digital to allow for digital volume control and digital surround processing (DTS, Dolby Digital, etc.) Thus, you are still relying on the DAC in the Denon for the final analog signal that will go to your speakers.
If you are serious about improving your music performance, I would look into a good, used 2-channel pre-amp to use with your Parasound, thereby taking the receiver out of the 2-channel loop. You can then input the DVD player (or new DAC) into the preamp, and connect the preamp to your Parasound, then the speakers. The movie output (via the TOSLINK) will still go to the receiver for processing and then the center and rear channels. I hope I am not confusing you, but you really can have the best of both worlds (with some compromises, of course).
If this is a larger bite than you can chew right now, a simple, cost-effective upgrade would be to buy a good-quality, used coaxial cable to connect your DVD to your receiver. I think you will find an improvement over the TOSLINK.
I realize that the complexity of combined HT/2-channel setup can get confusing, but it can be done with decent results. These are some of the lessons I learned (the hard way) when I was in your shoes. I have since seen the light, and have whole-heartedly converted to the purity and resolution of 2-channel! Can I get a witness? AMEN!
Enjoy your system, and remember - HAVE FUN. Good luck.
Mark
mraybeck
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Lkdog,
That does sound promising, that passage in your owner's manual. I tried to get your manual and the spec's from the Denon website, but I was unable to do so. I do not know for sure if your particular model does have the analog bypass or not. I'm sorry if I am confusing matters. The Denon receiver that I previously owned (one generation earlier), did convert all incoming signals to digital. I was told by a very knowledgeable local dealer that this is commonly done in entry-level receivers because designing a volume control in the digital domain is much cheaper than a good, quiet analog control.
As far as integrating a preamp, you would still have the receiver power your center and rear channels. However, you connect the FR and FL preouts on the receiver to a R and L line level input on the preamp. The preamp then sends to amp, and from the Parasound to the speakers. With this arrangement, the preamp needs to be on and set to a reference volume level when calibrating for 5.1 channel audio.
I did this exact same upgrade 3 yrs ago, and the improvement was not subtle for 2-channel (even given the fact that the preamp section of my Nakamichi receiver was actually pretty decent).
Check your owner's manual - you may have a block diagram of the signal path in it.
Good Luck,
Mark
mraybeck
23 posts
 
Lkdog,
I do feel that getting a dedicated 2-channel preamp will be a significant upgrade in your system. However, even with a preamp, you will still need either a speaker-level input on your ACI (like the RELs), or use line-level input from a splitter (probably will degrade 2-channel sound) or route the entire line-level signal to the sub to use its crossover, and then from the line out of the sub to the amp. This last method also has its drawbacks as you will be running your entire audio signal through another 6+ feet of cabling. This is why speaker-level input is generally preferred for 2-channel audio.
If you are currently using the RCA sub preout for music listening, then I would be willing to bet that your Denon is, in fact, redigitizing your analog signal. The LFE circuitry is done in the digital domain, and I truly doubt that your receiver has a good analog crossover. If you really want to maximize your system for 2-channel and wish to keep the sub, I would get the speaker-level input adapters from ACI. Just my .02
mraybeck
23 posts
 
Thanks for the update, Lkdog. I am happy to hear that you do, in fact, have an analog bypass circuit. So, if in the future, you wish to add a DAC, you should be able to reap all the benefits. Your little experiment also proves that the DAC in your Pioneer Elite is superior to those in the Denon (not a surprise). Be sure to let us know what you decide to do to integrate the sub and the results.
Happy Listening,
Mark Raybeck
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