A deeper more holographic soundstage.


I was wondering by what means you have created a deeper soundstage. I am satisfied with the width but I really feel it is a bit 2 dimensional. It doesn't go back far enough. I like more layers of sound that reach towards you from the blackness.
As I've already spent quite a bit on my system I am unable to buy much more expensive components.
Did you upgrade one component that made the difference? Placement of speakers? New footers or tweaks such as Stillpoints?
Two subs instead of one(I have one)? Different placement of subs? I am working with a very tight space so it is difficult to move things without them being in the center of the room.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
roxy1927

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In this room, I had exceptional depth.

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/6378#&gid=1&pid=1

In this room, I didn't have the same depth (but the speakers are the same model). The sound was a wide wall of sound.

https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/9046#&gid=1&pid=2
Let me see, ah!!! yes more image and depth destroying stuff between the speakers in the second one.
And the first one would have been even better again if what is between the speakers was moved to the side instead.

Cheers George
placing one kit along a side wall means a lot more money needs to be spent on cables, be they speaker or interconnects.
If you listen to a system that you don’t care about getting the best out of it, then that makes sense.

My rack is vertical, but plan to go low horizontal soon
Then you’ll loose even more Imaging and Depth perspective, why not throw a TV into the mix also, then you can really listen/see midfi

Most here spend a small fortune on their systems, it’s false economy not to try to get two of the very most important aspects, Imaging and Depth perspective out of it, in all their glory.

And if that takes a few more bucks for longer interconnects or speaker wires, it's a BS excuse to use it why it's not done, it’s far better for your listening pleasure, probably cost as much as a couple of boutique snake oil fuses, or BS thingamajigs.


make sure you disengage your eyes from the equation
No No, the whole point is to hear and see the image and depth perception of all the music. Nothing better than being able to point out with your eyes a loan cymbal or triangle being struck up the higher and at back of everything else.
http://www.ikonet.com/en/visualdictionary/images/us/symphony-orchestra-77350.jpg
No, seeing is just as important as hearing if not more! As you can think you can reach out and touch some artist they are so "there" in front of you sometimes.

And until you have heard and seen this kind of imaging and depth, you have no idea of what your missing.

And this is how I achieved it, nothing between the speakers as far back as I could. https://ibb.co/SrF9K5d

Cheers George
Well, rather than insulting folks who choose to place their equipment between their speakers
Only if you stare at it, in wonderment of what you bought, instead of focusing on the music.

Cheers George
roxy1927

Here what I said to another member, and his reply a few weeks later, after he did what I said.

"Equipment between the speakers is the single biggest killer of sound staging and depth perspective, it makes a hiend sound into midfi, because there’s no artist to place and see with your eyes. 
If you can’t go to the side, maybe the behind you, or as I did in one place that allowed it, the next room."


hiendmmoe OP
First and foremost to say it didn’t make huge difference would be the understatement of this century. I think I solved most of issues regarding everything. The two biggest improvements: spacial depth and much lower noise floor. Everything sounds so much more open. I’ll never place my rack between my speakers again!
Hallelujah!!!
Now we just need to convince the other 80% of "glitz queens" who would rather stare in wonderment at their lit up electronics and shiny machined racks, instead of seeing the imaging, depth and sound staging placement of the artists of the music they play.

It never ceases to amaze me with "glitz queens" at the money they spend just to look at their equipment while listening, and they really do stare at it, maybe trying to find the image/depth between the shiny machined boxes, instead of basking in it.

Cheers George