A civil discussion about the state of Audio Research


I invested considerable time yesterday expressing my thoughts as to the current state of Audio Research as a company from the standpoint of quality (positive) and customer service (negative) only to have the entire thread censored/deleted by the mods.
For the small subsection of this Country’s population that are home audio enthusiasts, Audio Research is an iconic brand. Moreso than any other company, AR was the torchbearer for tubes when the rest of the amp manufacturers were turning to solid state. Further, though there were a few duds here and there, I am hard-pressed to think of any other company that has made as many legendary models of amps and preamps that have withstood the test of time (imho only Krell, Spectral, and CJ come to mind and present era super-brands such as CH and DarTZeel lack the history necessary).
My point yesterday is that AR’s acquisition by a parent company has resulted in a dilution of brand identity-similar to when Volvo was acquired by Ford between ’99 and ’10 and suddenly cross pollination of parts and assembly took place. My second point is that unlike the car industry, audio is a niche industry and to refuse to interact with customers directly and to instead insist that the customer go through the local dealer is inexcusable. I think we would mostly agree that when one tries to call AT&T about one’s cable and internet service only to get a computer interface and then eventually a clueless third-party intermediary who barely speaks English in India, the entire experience is frustrating and inadequate. I have news (apparently) for the parent company of AR; the present system is not altogether different from getting a clueless intermediary in some remote country who can not really help you.
My local AD is not a top-notch audio salon. They don’t stock a single piece of AR gear in their showroom and primarily cater to home theater. They have one salesperson who has a history of owning AR gear and he only works part-time. More importantly, based on other accounts, I have no confidence that if I experience a catastrophic problem AR will treat me with respect and take care of me. I have heard nothing but the opposite. The human touch is gone. My local Devore dealer, a nationally respected one-man shop dealer-used to carry AR and thanks to several awful experiences since the take-over dropped AR and now sells VTL instead.
I am hoping that this thread results in a CIVIL and appropriate, mostly intelligent discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of AR and AR's future. If the mods wish to delete this post as well, fine, but I want a forum to post my concerns about AR and if this one won’t accommodate me, I will find another.
Again, for the record, I am the original owner of a Ref 6 and Ref 150SE and therefor have ~$30,000 invested in my amp and pre alone. A paltry sum by the standards of some, but not paltry to me.
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I would like to repost a few comments that I made in the now deleted thread.  As a threshold matter, I want to restate that I am an ARC fan.  All my electronic gear is ARC stuff.  I have never experienced a catastrophic breakdown in any of my ARC gear, … past or present.  At worst, just a pesky blown bias resister.  No big deal.  In short, I believe that ARC make excellent gear.

My only concern is that in that rare and unusual case where I have recently called ARC, I got tripped up in the telephone menu and had a hard time connecting with a service person.  Eventually, I was able to speak with someone, but it wasn't easy getting through.

Compare that to yesteryear.  If I called, a very nice person would pick up the phone and asked who I needed to speak to.  I was immediately transferred to Len to Kal who were always helpful.    

I agree with fsonicsmith's comments about the dealer network.  The dealer folks I dealt with are nice and well meaning folks, but are not tech wizards like Len or Kal.  Further, the dealer I used does not have an ARC  service tech inhouse or located nearby.  As I explained on the deleted thread, I would much rather deal with a local ARC service tech than start with a dealer.  Just an unnecessary step and an unhelpful conversation.

So, if ARC picks up on this thread, I hope they will take to heart that personal service is very important to the retail consumer.  The auto dealer analogy made in the deleted thread in not analogous here.

I hope ARC goes back to the old model and lets their dealers do what they do best, …. sell product.  ARC should do what it does best, …. help retail customers with technical issues.  If ARC wants to augment the dealer system, maybe they should couple an ARC service tech with each dealer.  The tech doesn't have to be employed by the dealer, … just located nearby.

Just my humble opinion of course.

BIF

fsonicsmith …. interesting post about Jim McShane.  You said that "Jim McShane- [told you] that he no longer sells KT150’s because the Tungsol factory is putting out so many crap tubes that he can no longer supply the customer with a reliable tube."  That is quite disturbing.  

As I mentioned in the deleted thread, Upscale sells KT-150s for $95 per tube, about half the amount that ARC charges.  The thought that 2 quads of ARC sourced KT-150s will cost upwards of $1600 is quite sobering.

As a general matter, I have had great experiences buying tubes from Upscale.  The only glitch was when I bought power tubes for my ARC amps. For some reason, the bias spread of Upscale matched pairs was not as tight as ARC sourced tubes.  

So, I have a back-up set of 2 quads of Upscale sourced KT-150s that I bought several years ago. As stated, the bias spread is barely within ARC spec.  Maybe Upscale can rematch my KT-150s??    

P.S. I agree 100% with Cleeds' comment that "ARC products are still very much unique and like nothing else on the market."  
@tomic601 , I understand that Upscale does special QC and matching for 6H30 tubes for ARC amps and preamps.  I have bought a lot of tubes from Upscale (e.g.,Tungsol 6550s and 6H30s) and have been quite satisfied.

BTW, ARC uses 6550WEs for the power supplies in their preamps and many of their other source components.  For kicks and giggles, I tried the Tungsol 6550 and was quite pleased with the result.