"I saw one brand that was sold with a cord at all, as they assume you will want to use a high end cord with their product " That seems more fair. You know what you are getting. I mean, you know what you are not getting. They also seem to know their clientele. |
andy2, "...
the manufactures probably want to supply the cheapest possible power cables just so that they say they do." You really want to make those manufacturers look bad. One more negative point for them. |
That is easily true and it is another negative point for manufacturer's credibility. It is not that they are selling those "audiophile" power conditioners at cost. |
"Imagine you have a power conditioner, but your power cable is slim and tiny, it will definitely affect the performance of the power conditioner."
That may be relatively easy to imagine. What is harder to imagine is why anyone would buy a power conditioner from the manufacturer who supplies an inadequate cable. Wouldn't you question the whole product and manufacturer's competence then? |
"Some don’t fit well on the leg and slide down to my ankle."
Imagine if the manufacturer made a suggestion to put a rubber band around them after you buy them. |
speedbump6,
"glupson, when you buy a pair of shoes, don’t you also wear socks with them?"
Not all the time. Socks also come usable "out of the box", I do not need to buy another one.
We all have different approaches, but if they tried to sell me half-baked electronic product, I would feel cheated. Unless it is, for example, something in kit. |
If the person buys (spends money) on a power regenerator and then needs to buy a new power cord for it to sound better, does a person feel at least a little cheated?
I would feel as if I had bought shoes and then found only one in the box, by design. |
speedbump6,
I also assumed that Gryphon people do use expensive cables, why wouldn’t they? I also suspect that Pass amplifiers rarely get connected with lamp cord. Those are assumptions and suspicions/guesses. I am quite convinced that difference in my preferences may be due to more things than cables. Maybe even the room.
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Switching topic a little bit, I have heard Pass amplifiers in a couple of systems over the years. I know they are considered to be really good around here. It might have not been amplifiers that were not great, but those systems were not enjoyable to me. None of them. I have had exactly the opposite experience with Gryphon. Does Gryphon crowd use fancier cables? |
mahgister, "glupson do you listen to Scarlatti? " I had to learn about him during music classes in elementary school, probably heard some of his works, but do not really recall anything more than "Domenico". Even that I am not 100% sure right now. In short, I have not truly listened to him. I will check him out. |
"For sure the future is not in cables market... :)
" Looking at the number of "true wireless" earphones on the street, it does not seem that the present is that rosy either. |
"I like technology when it works and it’s easy to use." That is why most of the people may be better off if cable designers dedicated their talent into designing better wireless than better marketed cables. A person I know had asked me if he should buy Sonos. I recommended it. He is in love with it. He thinks it sounds great, too. He did not have a spending limit. He would have not gone for an expensive cable, though. |
"^!^ Actually it's already been done in the form of Active DSP speakers, but it's a step backward in term of sound quality." I did not mention active speakers not to disturb audiophile pretensions of separates. "...it's a step backward in term of sound quality. So you can't have both."
At this moment in history, probably true. However, if all the cable manufacturers put their minds into designing better wireless techniques instead of better cable marketing, the progress could be faster. "(You would still need two power cords - one for left and one for right speaker)." For now. |
^^^ How do send wireless info from the amp to the speakers? That is the question. The world has gone wireless, but most of the "audiophiles" have not noticed. |
"when we get to the end of all that, we find that analog cables, in an all triode or v-fet system, is the only real functional signal capturing and playback chain." To repeat, if you truly want to advance signal transmission, figure out better quality wireless and not novelty cable. Nobody says it is easier than advertising a cable, though. |
"Which is how we got to the current stories about all the kids freaking out about how WE...the older crew, somehow had all the magic music during our time." In my experience, that is what older crew likes to think about "their" music. I have not heard teens or twenties crew talk like that so far. They do listen to some of the older music, but they do enjoy music of their generation, too. Current older crew tends to cherish music of long-dead ancestors much more than current younger crew cherishes music of their parents. Was it in this thread that surprisingly informative discussion about Chopin et al. surfaced? Beethoven anyone? Mozart? Bach? That older crew really had all the magic music during their time. |
"If you think otherwise you’re brain dead!" Can you think and be brain dead? |
Just to remind everyone, on a consumer level current world is cableless.
Ask any 20-year-old what cables are for. She/he may not have even one in their posession and yet be entirely functional. Many, if not most, have only cable for phone charger. Some not even that.
If you truly want to advance signal transmission, figure out better quality wireless and not novelty cable. |
andy2, "No data until you clean up your reasoning." It is ok to ask for help. The offer still stands. Just let us know. |
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andy2,
If there is a way to help you, just let us know, |
speedbump6,
I apologize for not mentioning you. You simply did not make the grade. Regardless of me agreeing with you, or not, you remained reasonably polite. |
I admit I have no true knowledge of electronics and audio-related things. At least I am aware of it. |
Maturity. That may be the word.
andy2,
It is acceptable to lose ground in some argument. The best way out of it is usually to admit it with a joke or two about how silly you have been and it will fade away quickly. Just insulting people makes you appear, ahem, clueless.
For the record, cables do not make much difference. Your hearing is not that good. I apologize for bringing you the news. If you were a dog, story could have been different. Well, better luck in next drawing. |
andy2, "Has he posted anything useful even especially I gave him a good lesson? The answer is NO." Student's failure inevitably reveals poor teacher. "I am still waiting to see how he can look at the data only and determine which is the better cable?" How about by looking at whatever graphs she/he was asking from you? "...but I don't think knows what he talking about." That is the only certainly correct statement so far. You think. You only think. |
andy2, "Glupson, you're part of the three stooges." Well, if I were you, I would be less arrogant in calling people clueless and useless. |
andy2, "And if you keep supporting him, then eventually you’re no different than him. Well, let me try to explain it. "That is because after getting a good education from me, he still hasn’t posted anything useful. " "The finger :-)
Sorry but I couldn’t resist." If that is the kind of education you provided, your level of teaching is suitable for a drunken fight in the bar. If those are things you cannot resist, you may want to revisit kindergarten manners class. Your explanation why djones51 is clueless bears no logic in it. She/he may really be clueless, but the way you are proving it does not make you seem like someone who is capable of conveying clues about cluelessness. |
andy2, "
But sometimes, that's what it takes to deal with certain username. Decency won't work on them." That may be true, but lowering one's standards does not elevate the person. It makes her/him less credible. Until now, you have offered only insults and claims that djones51 is clueless. Nothing remotely tangible and possibly considered as an argument. Again, I am taking no side in this aborted technical debate, but am merely noticing pitiful presentations. |
andy2, "
^^^by getting you duped. " No, by you lowering the level of decent discussion. |
andy2, "The finger :-)
Sorry but I couldn't resist. " From up there where the fans sit, it seems that djones51 just scored the point. |
andy2,
I have not even been paying attention what it is all about, but you could give djones51 whatever it is that she/he is asking for and then uncover her/his cluelessness. Until then, it is just you pulling it out of nowhere trying to ridicule someone who, for all we know, may be wrong but also may be right. |
"I am pretty sure he has no clue lols." Having no horse in this race, I am pretty sure you cannot be pretty sure if he has a clue. Unless you know him personally very well. In which case two of you, hopefully, would not argue on an Internet forum. It may be more correct to say that you may be pretty sure, but you may be very wrong about that. |
"...you probably just had dirty contacts or a loose connection..." I have wondered which one makes more sense. Connecting a cable (both, device and cable, connections reasonably new/clean) and never touching it again, or disconnecting from time to time, whatever that time is, and cleaning the contact surfaces, whatever the cleaning method would be (except Total Contact liquid). Assuming that surfaces are clean first time connected, how important, if at all, is the interplay of different metals over time? |
geoffkait,
"Oh, geez, here we go with the what about this, what about that routine. My head Hertz. 😩"
It is convenient to try to make fun of me, but does current in the power cords have frequency expressed in Hertz, or not? My public elementary school education might have been lacking, but some basics have remained. |
"...no frequencies at all. Not in the power cord..."
Did we switch to direct current, or Hertz still applies? |
"...some of these questions on dark matter and energy" New Dark Matter? |
"The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster than atomic clocks on the ground." They were about 900 km/h faster. |
"Gravity slows the passage of time similar to how the passage of time is changed under special relativity..." To put it in realistico-philosophical perspective, it all becomes acutely irrelevant and unimportant when you discover your toilet has backed up. At that moment the following statement from the above post applies absolutely and in real time... "The more massive the object, the more noticeable the effect." |
geoffkait,
"Idle threats, little person."
"Warning" is not same as "threat". There are such thing as "friendly warnings".
Aside from that, I have not been called "little" since I was a newborn. |
speedbump6, "I’m not sure how much pain there actually is after the resultant impact..."
Just do not tell me it cannot be measured. What the heck is this whole thread for then? |
geoffkait, "Glubson tries hard to be relevant. " Funny, I thought the same about you. Be careful, my warnings to you end up being correct after a while. |
The practice of gravity is that the higher you try to climb, the more painful the impact after the fall.
Wise man recognizes when to stop climbing. (old faller's proverb) |
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he is trying to look like he makes less mistakes than he really does today." It does seem like a bad week for him. We all have them. Well, faster you run, more likely you will trip. (old caveman's proverb). It may be time to wait until he gets up. It is not nice to pound on the weaker one. |
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"The mass of the heavy bowling ball pushes down the mattress causing the baseballs to slide down towards the bowling ball.
" Next time do not buy used mattress and it will not sag. |
"The sound that arrives at the listeners ears is - after all is said and done - what matters most and it’s the least measurable." The sound may be unmeasurable for now as it is person's perception of outside-of-the-body events.
What arrives to the ear is air with its dynamic properties and that is fairly measurable in 2020.
Just to add a little bit to confusion, the "sound" is not transmitted exclusively directly through the ear. Head contents do influence it to a great degree. |
"It’s like someone trying to compare one piece of music to another by the beats per measure, or the range of the notes within the measures." Isn't that at least a part of what those programs for analyzing music do? You know, those that give you suggestions based on your previous listening choices. |
